From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On elisp running native - Update 12 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:32:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83o8uegykm.fsf@gnu.org> <74dd94a9-28cb-a5fd-dbc7-ab21009834ad@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Andrea Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2110"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions." , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 28 17:33:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMv9B-0000Qt-Ot for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:33:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52490 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMv9A-0008KY-R7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMv8O-0007rk-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:58232) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMv8M-0006hu-00; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 08SFW7ac010767; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:32:07 GMT In-Reply-To: (Yuan Fu's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:20:02 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/28 10:51:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256605 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: >> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Andrea Corallo wrote: >> >> Yuan Fu writes: >> >>> Hi Andrea, >>> >>> Update 12 looks very cool. Is it possible now to eliminate funcall to >>> all built-in functions (instead of only primitives)? Do you think that >>> it will give significant speed-up? >> >> Hi Yuan, >> >> in my nomenclature primitive functions are already all C functions. I >> always thought that's way to call them [1]. But coming to your question >> we already remove funcall calling all C functions so... no more >> improvements there ;) >> >> Andrea >> >> [1] > > Thanks for clarifying. I got the false impression that normal compiled > Elisp functions can also be called without funcall when watching your > talk, or I just remembered wrong. :-) You remeber correctly, some C functions can be called directly from Lisp if byte-compiled, but only the ones that got an op-code assigned in bytecode. If you are curious see . Native code compilation allow for doing direct calls always as the problem of partitioning the op byte-code space is not anymore there. Andrea