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From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Rocky Bernstein <rocky@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Correct line/column numbers in byte compiler messages
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:28:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xjf7dzdlliw.fsf@sdf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200321153041.GA7805@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:30:41 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> Hello, Andrea.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 11:22:03 +0000, Andrea Corallo wrote:

>> The outcome as I see it is that total bootstrap time gets bigger 1.1x
>> while normal runtime appears not affected.
>
> Well, it looks like the normal runtime is around 2.x% slower for
> scratch/accurate-warning-pos.

Well I studied physics so for me 2% is pretty much zero :) :) Joking
apart I'm not sure this is really sufficient to conclude is noise or
not.

>> For my quick understanding of how it works this is expected.  The
>> additional branch and compare against symbols_with_pos_enabled in `eq'
>> is a kind of branch that is very easily predictable by any modern CPU,
>> therefore when the feature is off (not compiling) it becomes transparent
>> (I'd see a compiler branch hit there too).
>
> In other words, the processor will test symbols_with_pos_enabled
> simultaneously with starting the continuation for the "not" case.

The processor will just speculate guessing the target branch without
having to wait for symbols_with_pos_enabled value to be loaded.  Given
this change rarely, speculation there should be pretty much always
correct.

I'd wrap symbols_with_pos_enabled into something like:

#define SYMBOLS_WITH_POS_ENABLED \
   __builtin_expect(symbols_with_pos_enabled, 0) 

To make sure we minimize instruction cache overhead too.

> This extra test in the EQ code was always the main thing in the slowdown
> occurring in this git branch.

Is the EQ overhead the main/only one?  Also GC seems marginally affected.

I think would be interesting to write a nano benchmark EQ focused to
test this accurately.

> When I timed things back in 2018, I got a slowdown of somewhat more than
> 2.x%.  May I ask what sort of processor you're using?  Mine (unchanged
> since then) is an AMD Ryzen.

I did the test on a "Xeon E5-1660 v3".  I think we can classify it as a
good system from few (6?) years ago.  Not very fast by today's standards
but still quite beefy in terms of caches.

Bests

  Andrea

--
akrl@sdf.org



  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-21 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-19 15:10 GNU is looking for Google Summer of Code Projects Rocky Bernstein
2020-03-19 17:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-19 17:56   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-19 18:05     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-19 18:19     ` Rocky Bernstein
2020-03-19 21:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-19 21:45       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-19 23:07         ` Rocky Bernstein
2020-03-19 20:34   ` Correct line/column numbers in byte compiler messages [Was: GNU is looking for Google Summer of Code Projects] Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-19 20:43     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-20 19:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-21 11:22         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-21 15:30           ` Correct line/column numbers in byte compiler messages Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-21 16:28             ` Andrea Corallo [this message]
2020-03-21 18:37               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-21 20:19                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-21 21:08                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-21 23:39                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-22 11:26                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-19 20:56     ` Correct line/column numbers in byte compiler messages [Was: GNU is looking for Google Summer of Code Projects] Rocky Bernstein
2020-03-19 22:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-20 19:25       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-19 21:41     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-19 22:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-20 20:10       ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-03-20 21:23         ` Rocky Bernstein
2020-03-20 21:27         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-03-20 23:46           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-20 21:30         ` Stefan Monnier

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