unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Xah Lee]

comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.

http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html

any conclusion from this?

PS since my mac and OS is few years old, both Carbon Emacs and
Aquamacs Emacs has dropped support for about over a year, so i haven't
tested their latest. Is current version Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs
actually run on cocoa code base from emacs 23?

could anyone download this file
http://xahlee.org/emacs/unicode.txt
and show screenshot in their current Carbon/Aquamacs Emacs?

Thanks.

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> writes:

> comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>
> any conclusion from this?
>
> PS since my mac and OS is few years old, both Carbon Emacs and
> Aquamacs Emacs has dropped support for about over a year, so i haven't
> tested their latest. Is current version Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs
> actually run on cocoa code base from emacs 23?
>
> could anyone download this file
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/unicode.txt
> and show screenshot in their current Carbon/Aquamacs Emacs?

Xah, i have no MacOS. Just i tested on my desktop, FreeBSD.
http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/unicode-test-xah-emacs23-20090817001.png

It works well for me. Thanks!

Sincerely,

-- 
"Your Godfather."
		-- Virginia, "Chapter 12", page 162

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Leo]

On 2009-08-15 16:54 +0100, Xah Lee wrote:
> comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>
> any conclusion from this?

The web browser is far more superior than Emacs.

-- 
Leo's Emacs uptime: 13 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, 11 seconds

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Xah Lee]

On Aug 16, 3:03 pm, Byung-Hee HWANG <b...@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
> Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> writes:
> > comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>
> >http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>
> > any conclusion from this?
>
> > PS since my mac and OS is few years old, both Carbon Emacs and
> > Aquamacs Emacs has dropped support for about over a year, so i haven't
> > tested their latest. Is current version Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs
> > actually run on cocoa code base from emacs 23?
>
> > could anyone download this file
> >http://xahlee.org/emacs/unicode.txt
> > and show screenshot in their current Carbon/Aquamacs Emacs?
>
> Xah, i have no MacOS. Just i tested on my desktop, FreeBSD.http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/unicode-test-xah-emacs23-20090817001.png
>
> It works well for me. Thanks!

Hi Hwang, thanks. Looks like you have a pretty good setup. Am rather
surprised that it happens on BSD. Btw, is that emacs 23 out of the box
or do you have to do some setup such as picking a font in emacs/X11?

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[CHENG Gao]

*On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
* Also sprach Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com>:

> On Aug 16, 3:03 pm, Byung-Hee HWANG <b...@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>> Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>>
>> >http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>>
>> > any conclusion from this?
>>
>> > PS since my mac and OS is few years old, both Carbon Emacs and
>> > Aquamacs Emacs has dropped support for about over a year, so i haven't
>> > tested their latest. Is current version Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs
>> > actually run on cocoa code base from emacs 23?
>>
>> > could anyone download this file
>> >http://xahlee.org/emacs/unicode.txt
>> > and show screenshot in their current Carbon/Aquamacs Emacs?
>>
>> Xah, i have no MacOS. Just i tested on my desktop, FreeBSD.http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/unicode-test-xah-emacs23-20090817001.png
>>
>> It works well for me. Thanks!
>
> Hi Hwang, thanks. Looks like you have a pretty good setup. Am rather
> surprised that it happens on BSD. Btw, is that emacs 23 out of the box
> or do you have to do some setup such as picking a font in emacs/X11?
>
>   Xah
> ∑ http://xahlee.org/
>
> ☄

I think you may be interested in YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu-san's Carbon+AppKit
port (for emacs 22.3 and emacs 23.1)[1].

I built emacs 23.1 "hackers-only" version successfully (on my MacOSX
10.5.8).

Viewing your unicode.txt, I can see a little difference. Some Math
symbols can not be shown in my Cocoa build (I trust it's owing to my
font setting). While all of them show correctly in Carbon+AppKit build.

I suggest you build this port. It's not hard. Just get official release
tarball, and apply patch-mac patch file, then copy additional files into
the tree. There is an installation instruction included.

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/113590/

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> writes:

> On Aug 16, 3:03 pm, Byung-Hee HWANG <b...@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>> Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>>
>> >http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>>
>> > any conclusion from this?
>>
>> > PS since my mac and OS is few years old, both Carbon Emacs and
>> > Aquamacs Emacs has dropped support for about over a year, so i haven't
>> > tested their latest. Is current version Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs
>> > actually run on cocoa code base from emacs 23?
>>
>> > could anyone download this file
>> >http://xahlee.org/emacs/unicode.txt
>> > and show screenshot in their current Carbon/Aquamacs Emacs?
>>
>> Xah, i have no MacOS. Just i tested on my desktop, FreeBSD.
>> http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/unicode-test-xah-emacs23-20090817001.png
>>
>> It works well for me. Thanks!
>
> Hi Hwang, thanks. Looks like you have a pretty good setup. Am rather
> surprised that it happens on BSD. Btw, is that emacs 23 out of the box
> or do you have to do some setup such as picking a font in emacs/X11?

Dear Xah,

X11 supports UTF-8 stuff very well, i think. Currently, Emacs also good
to UTF-8. However, i don't know about MacOS. Please Let me pay my small
adivce and respect for you. Yes, you need to switch from MacOS to free
operating system (e.g., GNU/Linux or BSD). 

Sincerely,
  
-- 
"But his ultimate aim is to enter that society with a certain power since
society doesn't really protect its members who do not have their own
individual power."
		-- Michael Corleone, "Chapter 25", page 363

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Xah Lee]

On Aug 17, 12:00 am, Byung-Hee HWANG <b...@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
> X11 supports UTF-8 stuff very well, i think. Currently, Emacs also good
> to UTF-8.

But my question is, if you would answer: is your screenshot from emacs
23 out of the box, or did you have some emacs customization such as
choosing font? In particular, if you did have some customization, did
you simpy pull the Options, Set Default Font, or is it more
complicated, such as creating a emacs concept of fontset, or download
some font on the net, etc?

> However, i don't know about MacOS. Please Let me pay my small
> adivce and respect for you. Yes, you need to switch from MacOS to free
> operating system (e.g., GNU/Linux or BSD).

LOL.

Thank you for the suggestion.

May i suggest you one thing?

Basic Economics, by Thomas Sowell.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

Recently i have discovered that this book has been pirated, and i have
little doubt, by Open Source or Free Software proponents. I noticed,
there's a audio version on the net.

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> writes:

> On Aug 17, 12:00 am, Byung-Hee HWANG <b...@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
>> X11 supports UTF-8 stuff very well, i think. Currently, Emacs also good
>> to UTF-8.
>
> But my question is, if you would answer: is your screenshot from emacs
> 23 out of the box, or did you have some emacs customization such as
> choosing font? In particular, if you did have some customization, did
> you simpy pull the Options, Set Default Font, or is it more
> complicated, such as creating a emacs concept of fontset, or download
> some font on the net, etc?

Of course, its screenshot was from Emacs 23 on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. See
bottom of the screenshot with care. And i put some values into ~/.emacs
for that, as flollow:

;; Font, Charset
(set-default-font "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12")
(set-fontset-font "fontset-default" '(#x1100 . #xffdc)  '("UnTaza" . "unicode-bmp"))
(setq default-frame-alist '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12")))
(set-language-environment "UTF-8")
(set-coding-priority '(coding-category-utf-8))
(setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
(setq-default mime-transfer-level 8)

That was all to make the screenshot.

>> However, i don't know about MacOS. Please Let me pay my small
>> adivce and respect for you. Yes, you need to switch from MacOS to free
>> operating system (e.g., GNU/Linux or BSD).
>
> LOL.
>
> Thank you for the suggestion.
>
> May i suggest you one thing?
>
> Basic Economics, by Thomas Sowell.
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell
>
> Recently i have discovered that this book has been pirated, and i have
> little doubt, by Open Source or Free Software proponents. I noticed,
> there's a audio version on the net.

Though, you should go toward free software world.

Sincerely,

---
"I'll give you some more straight talk. After the Don died, Mike was set up
to be killed. Do you know who set him up? Tessio. So Tessio had to be killed.
Carlo had to be killed. Because treachery can't be forgiven. Michael could
have forgiven it, but people never forgive themselves and so they would always
be dangerous. Michael really liked Tessio. He loves his sister. But he would
be shrinking his duty to you and his children, to his whole family, to me and
my family, if he let Tessio and Carlo go free. They would have been a danger
to us all, all our lives."
		-- Tom Hagen, "Chapter 32", page 442

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Nikolaj Schumacher]

Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> wrote:

> comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html

All these chars render fine here on Emacs 23 with the Monaco font on 10.5.

regards,
Nikolaj Schumacher

Re: unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23

[Xah Lee]

On Aug 18, 2:43 pm, Nikolaj Schumacher <m...@nschum.de> wrote:
> Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > comparison of unicode rendering on Carbon Emacs 22 vs Mac Emacs 23.
>
> >http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mac_emacs_unicode.html
>
> All these chars render fine here on Emacs 23 with the Monaco font on 10.5.

Thanks. That's GNU emacs right? not Carbon Emacs or Aquamacs Emacs.

Am wondering, does emacs actually uses font substitution?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_substitution

or, is font substitution part of the font api and emacs simply use the
OS api?

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄