From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:37:48 +0100 Organization: University of Cambridge Message-ID: References: <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpbcrdk5.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291835799 32647 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 19:16:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:16:39 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 20:16:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPVB-00044w-A0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:16:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPVA-0002f4-F6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:16:32 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!feed4.jnfs.ja.net!jnfs.ja.net!gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk!news.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 13 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CuuVyL9OhihgyjRnps0BhVYfocc= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178972 comp.emacs:100057 comp.lang.lisp:289219 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75869 Archived-At: On 2010-06-15 20:02 +0100, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Let's forget about this line-move-visual. It has happened and just turned it off in your site-start.el for good or even patch emacs source locally to get rid of it. It was targeting potential new users. I think what would be interesting is to clean up the mess in elisp. We have cl and eieio that provide half-assed compatibility for common lisp. Why not use the real thing instead by rebasing emacs onto common lisp and gradually phase out elisp? That would bring in some good new users to the community. Leo