From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:06:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o7ufafow.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24527"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 18:22:28 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0ya-00069v-1C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:22:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0yY-0003NZ-HE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:22:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52150) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0jf-00020i-8l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:07:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0jf-0001nW-0s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0je-0005tu-Pd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:07:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166567719522621 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 16:06:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0jC-0005sn-T5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:06:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:32703) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj0jA-0005sV-3W for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:06:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665677186; x=1665936386; bh=Hfr2ZclDkNPsR28RL94PjIcD+QpuccFnr+U5qdiBtp4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=Cj6Bm/Ir1YUFXNsCwsDXlylp11yhcRwORAtMOEqtiAy9tksjtSGQm5jUKj4YX1EQh uVk797dknX7sZOtEVzS0jB/NBkSJ+mAUkDDpiBWDd+nrcIpqnAmCAhCt1KuS2Jgu37 PUuORJgFcz+2pX3Ey0h43m5849zIboO5SYrQu2kpa/FmvojlTWvSfoHYm9vXR8lLB0 /nB/0PB9YScCf6twHs1Vsqjw5B3qYM8yKwwclKVQ3Dpiil/XyDhG7HQ5egGxY5jlEL pI/3FISnfefcE772w8ENw2qkBo09doOPIgMVnihRN8R0jXzo3x3uJFTn+QvYADwzjK 9CHlP5CVYv1+Q== In-Reply-To: <83o7ufafow.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245325 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 3:47 PM, Eli Zaretskii wr= ote: > > Cc: Phil Sainty psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, > > Stefan Kangas stefankangas@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:09:02 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > > the Swiss army knife of text editors" bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > Emacs should take the user's setting in the init file rather than overr= ide them > > with bullshit that you reckon has authority. >=20 > Language! Because with an empty "~/.Xresources" emacs fills the customisations with w= hatever the database decides. =20 > And X resources are as much user settings as what the user sets on the > init files. So Emacs cannot but obey them. It is user's > responsibility to set up his/her settings according to his/her > preferences. Untrue again. Emacs obeys them because it decided to obey them. If a user wants to obey them, let him specify the file or the database directly. But no, emacs wants to take them, whatever they are by default. Emacs can just fire vanilla emacs if it wants to, but it does not want to. =20