From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: SOLVED: Emacs (all versions) dumps core when built against XFree86 4.3 Date: 13 May 2003 09:34:53 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052811771 3064 80.91.224.249 (13 May 2003 07:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 13 09:42:47 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19FUPy-0000h8-00 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:41:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FUPQ-0006HY-0A for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 May 2003 03:41:12 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 62 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1052811294 00 29893 BUN9EVCXTrAhzI 030513 07:34:54 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-ID: Ts8MgrZloeERuSetJz0Yf+iPsKQf9oZT6P7BbqgZchg19veMw04MEf X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:113154 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9650 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9650 Hin-Tak Leung writes: > Symptom: emacs dump cores at XtInitializeWidgetClass () with > 'Fatal Error (11).Segmentational Fault' > Solution: Adding '-z nocombreloc' to LDFLAGS > Reason: 'combreloc' has become the default for recent GNU ld, which > breaks the unexec/undump of both emacs and xemacs > (all versions). > > Many after-thoughts: > > (1) The problem has been very recently reported against CVS > version of GNU emacs in March 2003 (i.e. two months ago), > and even caught Mr Stallman's attention briefly, > no solution is known to the GNU Emacs people; and > yet the xemacs people apparently had the fix integrated to > their ./configure for almost a year now... Those are different projects with completely different ./configure files. It can hardly be expected that they synchronize arbitrary problem reports unless somebody accidentally happens to work on both projects. But overlap of core developers is very small since there is a _reason_ for both being separate projects. > (2) The GNU emacs people/community has not been at all helpful... And you have not exactly been an icon of amicability either, posting long tirades about what you want and don't want to hear, how people should behave and so on. > I guessed the origin of the problem myself, made my own > suggestion to do a gdb back trace, did my own search for any > problem associated with 'XtInitializeWidgetClass'... Emacs comes with error reporting instructions. You make it sound as if it was an insolence that you had to properly report an error before somebody could take a look at it. But you started tirading almost immediately before somebody even had a chance to tell you anything, and every post contained long complaints about how bad people were because they dared to mention that you were overstepping basic politeness. > (3) Sadly, judging from the reaction to the same problem in both > archives, I have to say the xemacs community probably are > more "free" (in the beer sense) than the GNU emacs community... So what payment was exacted from you? > xemacs people gave sound technical advices and solutions, GNU > emacs people gave lectures on "employer/employee > relationships"... I am sure that if somebody had noticed your particular problem before, it would have got mentioned here, as well. You were just lucky that the problem was already known there and so people had not to go through the notions of trying to get you to deliver any useful information. Perhaps take a look at the XEmacs archives and compare how the people there reported the original problem in contrast to how you did here. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum