Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

[David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>]

Hendrik Sattler <sattler2000@gmx.de> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>
>> Hendrik Sattler <sattler2000@gmx.de> writes:
>> 
>>> David Kastrup wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars
>>>> suck.
>>>> 
>>>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the
>>>> mouse.  I can't control the size of the move except by dragging
>>>> (a recipe for RSI).  When scrolling in one direction repeatedly,
>>>> the moment the scroll "thumbmark" gyrates under the mouse cursor,
>>>> it stops working.
>>>
>>> Mouse wheels are a great invention. Instead of mouse1/mouse2 to
>>> scroll, you use scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing is more intuitive
>>> than that.  And at least with QT, you can use that on a horizontal
>>> scrollbar, too, if you place the mouse cursor over it.  Some mice
>>> offer a real button instead of the wheel (I like this even
>>> better).
>>>
>>> And since this is about a text editor: PgUp/PgDown exist ;)
>> 
>> All those are arguments for not using the scrollbar at all.  While
>> you can turn it off with Emacs easily, it is somewhat pointless to
>> discuss what scrollbar type is the best when not used.
>
> I only see it as indication of where I am in the whole page.  Your
> points (using mouse1/mouse2 to scroll down/up) do not really use the
> scroll bar, either.

Uh, pardon?  First, it is mouse-1 and mouse-3.  And secondly, I don't
know how clicking on the scrollbar to achieve a scrolling effect is
not really using it.

> To use the scroll _bar_ itself, you actually have to drag it.

It would appear that you are confusing the scrollbar tack/thumb with
the scrollbar itself.  Athena-style scrollbars don't even _have_ a
tack.

> The only other good use would the it jumps to point where you click
> (but did not find one that does this, yet).

That is the mouse-2 action of Athena-style scrollbars (and the
no-toolkit scrollbars of Emacs _are_ Athena-style).

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