From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: miles@gnu.org, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
snogglethorpe@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: English usage bug in bytecomp.el
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:24:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <x5zmxeqvu9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16941.26379.290951.460068@farnswood.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:49:15 +1300")
Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes:
> > [Discussion of "`foo' is an obsolete function since 21.4;"]
> >
> > >> . This combination of "is" and "since" is incorrect English usage.
> >
> > >I think "is ... since" is pretty common usage actually, and certainly
> > >makes sense.
> >
> > <Gnashes teeth>
> >
> > Yes, it does make sense and it is regrettably common usage, but it is
> > WRONG. It is something that a native English speaker would never say.
> > In this case, it is just as easy to be correct.
>
> I don't know if it's correct or not but I think it is effective use of
> English.
"efficient" you mean probably . Let us just replace every "is not"
and "was not" and "has not" with "ain't". That is also efficient.
> I think its important to remember that English may not be the first
> language for many Emacs users. "`foo' is an obsolete function since
> 21.4" is concise: it tells the user that foo *is* obsolete and then
> that it became obsolete in version 21.4. He doesn't have to
> understand the many forms of past tense that English can have.
We are not talking about whether it is impossible to make sense out of
what is written. But I don't see how the non-first language speaker
actively gains anything if we switch to a bastardized version of
English. We don't require the readers of the manual to write correct
English themselves, we just strive to be understandable even for
non-native speakers. But I don't see that the correct English usage
here would have any detrimental effects.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-08 10:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-07 20:17 English usage bug in bytecomp.el Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-07 23:09 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-08 8:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-08 8:49 ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-08 10:24 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-03-08 11:45 ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-08 9:57 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-08 10:33 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-08 15:37 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-03-08 16:08 ` Bill Wohler
2005-03-08 17:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-08 21:10 ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-08 22:15 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-08 22:36 ` Bill Wohler
2005-03-09 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-09 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-09 9:49 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-09 10:22 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-08 13:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-09 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
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