From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mapping of M-g should be goto-line Date: 25 Mar 2004 14:43:19 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <86brmldvbd.fsf@avet.kvota.net> <20040325123800.4ADA.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> <86zna5cdnp.fsf@avet.kvota.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1080231288 10384 80.91.224.253 (25 Mar 2004 16:14:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 17:14:40 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6XVA-00066I-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:14:40 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6XV9-0002EV-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:14:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6VKn-0001VI-RG for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:55:49 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6VKG-0001Q1-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:55:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6VJj-0001H7-7a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:55:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6V8q-0007eR-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:43:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B6V49-00049I-A0; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:38:37 -0500 Original-To: Danilo Segan In-Reply-To: <86zna5cdnp.fsf@avet.kvota.net> Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20911 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20911 Danilo Segan writes: > Today at 12:55, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:23:34 +0100 > > Danilo Segan wrote: > > > >> That's only a reason to educate them better, not to adjust > >> behaviour. > > > > Many people don't have the time to be "educated". I've introduced > > a few friends to Emacs and they're using it happily, but they just > > won't spend the time to learn features they feel they're not going > > to need. > > Sorry if I sounded too harsh -- I just want the defaults to be good, M-g for goto-line is a good default. "Educating" users is not the task of an editor, and certainly not by willful omission of features. Next thing you'll propose educating users about key combinations by removing the menus. And educating them about M-x delete-file RET by making shell-mode barf on rm. That's not the way to go about it. Education of users is by making the available information more accessible, not by hiding away all other possibilities and making them inconvenient. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum