From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:12:08 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109247235 3124 80.91.229.2 (24 Feb 2005 12:13:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 24 13:13:55 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4HsD-0006vx-64 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:13:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4I9k-0000Dl-Ur for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:31:49 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Trace: individual.net YnoPP+r5ZZLlTBXKuNZr0Q2KxzUl/v+ikHw63YNIo8di198V6r X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NW3mu77M5p+5XmSVvjvZbpaYzSw= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:128773 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24310 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24310 Hendrik Sattler writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars >> suck. >> >> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >> mouse.  I can't control the size of the move except by dragging (a >> recipe for RSI). When scrolling in one direction repeatedly, the >> moment the scroll "thumbmark" gyrates under the mouse cursor, it >> stops working. > > Mouse wheels are a great invention. Instead of mouse1/mouse2 to > scroll, you use scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing is more intuitive > than that. And at least with QT, you can use that on a horizontal > scrollbar, too, if you place the mouse cursor over it. Some mice > offer a real button instead of the wheel (I like this even better). > > And since this is about a text editor: PgUp/PgDown exist ;) All those are arguments for not using the scrollbar at all. While you can turn it off with Emacs easily, it is somewhat pointless to discuss what scrollbar type is the best when not used. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum