From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:42:18 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <01c52c71$Blat.v2.4$400dcce0@zahav.net.il> <423C385F.6080704@yahoo.de> <16956.18953.703708.287613@mail.eng.it> <873burih58.fsf@verizon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111272183 28838 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 22:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 23:43:02 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCmeq-0000Cx-F1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:43:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCmvc-000118-Ik for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:00:20 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Trace: individual.net joXXHrUUYfMGxA555uz+FgcnDoZfweo/otYz666YjanVhtPX0A X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IXxUBXMzL5xZCt9qQYaGx8OPDNE= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129447 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25002 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25002 Miles Bader writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> My GTK+ version of Emacs, in contrast, is rather nice. Even the >> toolbar, while a waste of space, fits in nicely as long as you don't >> use Gnus (in which case it turns into a retro-yuk nightmare). > > I'll bet if you asked Lars he'd put that on a Mug or something ... > > "Gnus: A retro-yuk nightmare" Oh, Gnus is fine. As long as you keep it off the toolbar. Maybe someone should ask the GNOME artists whether they are willing to contribute a set of icons, or maybe some set is available in some other GNOME news client or stuff. It is not that I ever need the toolbar myself, but I switch it on occasionally when doing demonstrations to impress people. And then I'd feel embarrassed calling Gnus with its garish toolbar. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum