From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: minibuffer-eldef Date: 03 Jun 2004 09:19:49 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040529213132.GA31322@fencepost> <873c5hd35q.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8765aadbgb.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <20040602071529.GA21505@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086247221 6542 80.91.224.253 (3 Jun 2004 07:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, wl@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 03 09:20:10 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVmWI-0000SK-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVmWI-0007gp-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BVmWc-0001pP-66 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:20:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BVmWZ-0001pI-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:20:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BVmWY-0001oz-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:20:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BVmWY-0001ow-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:20:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVmW7-0004gH-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BVmW0-0001D2-0l; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:19:52 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Lines: 28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:24449 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:24449 Richard Stallman writes: > Let's end the discussion of whether to use (Default ) or [...] to > indicate Emacs defaults. I am not going to change it now. We have > lots of other work that needs doing in order to have a release, > including updating the manuals. Could people work on that, please? > > I have noticed a tendency lately for people to write lots of mail > discussing the precise best way to answer some minor question. It > must be hard to get other work done while having these discussions. Well, considering the suggested default of minibuffer-electric-default-mode: I have tried it now for a while, and I don't like it. It makes parts of the line jump forwards and backwards. The right way to do this would be to display the default value right in the text entry box in a special color. If delete-selection-mode is enabled, the natural choice would be to just paste the default value into the text entry box and have it selected. Anyway, the gist is the following: I don't like minibuffer-electric-default-mode in its current incantation, and a better user interface would cause additional work and experiments. Let's shift this discussion to after 21.4. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum