From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Options menu Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <01c52c6d$Blat.v2.4$713e68a0@zahav.net.il> <006901c52c9b$bcf6c890$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <200503201658.j2KGwTm05344@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111340162 6627 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 17:36:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 18:36:01 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4LC-0005T9-Q5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:35:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4YU-0001jP-R1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:49:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4Xb-0001hT-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:48:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4XW-0001fV-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:48:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD4XW-0001eS-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:48:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DD4H6-0001MJ-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:31:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DD4H0-0005xz-8e; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:31:34 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200503201658.j2KGwTm05344@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:58:29 -0600 (CST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34829 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34829 Luc Teirlinck writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > Since both of these suggestions would be a change with regard > to 21.4, if there is any contention about them (except maybe for > better proposals for the "All Options" menu), we should rather drop > them instead of wasting time discussing them, if the advantages are > not seen as clearcut as I imagine. > > They are not as clearcut as you imagine. Then they are off my agenda for 22.1. I sometimes wish that we had appointed or elected "dictators" for specific subsystems of Emacs: it is clear that unilateral agreement is very hard to achieve, and so we'd probably get more things achieved with less quibbling if people could just present their case without catering for all other proposals, and then one person who is generally trusted in that respect (and can be replaced in that function if people agree) makes the call. We'd probably achieve something a bit closer to coherency with less total investment of time and nerves that way. Of course Richard fills in some of that space, but given his intermittent access and numerous other chores, the current situation still lends itself to too much arguing which in the end achieves less with probably a higher total frustration level than if somebody was declared responsible for decisions in certain areas. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum