From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Layout of Emacs manual top mode in Info Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111929601 32381 80.91.229.2 (27 Mar 2005 13:20:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 27 15:19:59 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFXgN-0004Yu-1C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:19:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFXwG-0001WF-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:36:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFXrm-0000E9-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:31:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFXri-0000BX-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:31:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFXrh-0000Ax-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:31:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DFXbp-0002Gz-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:15:17 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DFXbp-00017J-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:15:17 -0500 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35234 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35234 After some feedback in the mailing list about that the top node of the Emacs manual should first list the more important entries, and then a detailed node list (which actually is exactly what it does), I have checked the node in the info reader. Result: the text Here are some other nodes which are really inferiors of the ones already listed, mentioned here so you can get to them in one step: --- The Detailed Node Listing --- appears without any fontification, highlighting, boldface or other offsetting, thus being much less conspicuous than the many _subordinate_ headings before or after. Just try paging through the node casually and stopping at the point where the detailed node listing begins. If you don't miss it on first try, you have better reactions than I do. Now the panick-stricken newbie will at one point just start paging fast to see how much more is to be expected, and will reach the bottom of the table of contents without realizing that he has perused _both_ a quick overview as well as a detailed node listing. As a result, he will not read _anything_ because he feels that this is all too much. Would it be possible to offset the detailed node listing much more prominently to avoid that effect? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum