From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: suggestions on toolbar icons Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:44:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111096362 5449 80.91.229.2 (17 Mar 2005 21:52:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 17 22:52:42 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC2tK-0006k3-PH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:50:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC39h-0002Yi-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:07:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DC36z-0000hJ-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DC36t-0000cz-4E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC36r-0000bN-92 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:04:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DC2n8-0004hP-VL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:44:31 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DC2n8-0004Ap-Bv; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:44:30 -0500 Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:33:59 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34681 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34681 "Drew Adams" writes: [...] > The point of stock items is that themes may change them and > applications that uses stock items change appearence > automatically. > > I think that Emacs could do better than what is there now, I agree with that assessment, but I think the best way to change this is to tell the GNOME artists. > but I do respect that general argument. I wasn't aware of this. > > Gnome is the GNU desktop environment, so aligning Emacs with Gnome > where possible makes sense. It does not make sense to me to change > Emacs for the benefit of any other platform. > > This is not about "any other platform". Aligning Emacs with GNOME is > fine, in principle. Recognize, however, that it can also mean a > straightjacket at times - Emacs will not be _better_ than whatever > GNOME has already defined. Then GNOME should become better. There is no sense in splitting efforts here. If an icon is unclear in meaning, we should report it to the GNOME artists instead of creating some half-baked inconsistent icon ourselves. They have the means to create stuff that matches their style better than what we could come up with. If they made unfortunate choices at times, there is no reason not to tell them. > Sorry, I'm not an artist or an image guru. I think my descriptions > got the point across. It's a moot point anyway, if we are to adhere > to the GNOME "standard". Or the GNOME standard to its users' needs. Really, there is no need to be fatalistic about it. Make a proposal and send it to the GNOME lists. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum