From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:03:10 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111255416 28754 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 18:03:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 19:03:36 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiIQ-0007eY-BM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:03:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiZ9-0006cZ-T9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:20:51 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Trace: individual.net YeIgsNoeqp+Ugsxt+a4oJAEBQuJPM0fg4qF1grnS2WsnBxhVHf X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zUTQfuDLpP1J/DvTr9w+fKLaXVA= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129419 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24974 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24974 PT writes: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:16:24 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Emacs has not shown itself to accommodate systematic corporate >> involvement well. It will as far as I can see always be dependent >> on dedicated individuals instead of corporate support, simply >> because you can't make a business plan involving Emacs development >> and timelines. > > I see. In that case there really is no obvious benefit of devoting > resources to make Emacs more newbie friendly. You have forgotten my point that _every_ Emacs user tends to be a newbie in a large part of its all-encompassing extent. > BTW, it seems Eclipse will fill this space instead of Emacs. It is > universal tool platform - an open extensible IDE for anything and > nothing in particular. I can't speak for Eclipse since I have neither tried and seen it. Nevertheless, I don't doubt that Emacs retains appeal and usefulness to a lot of people. For example, I can't remember anybody ever touting using Eclipse as a development platform for LaTeX, and that is one of the most important applications of Emacs for me. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum