From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:53:16 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <1111219043.820733.143980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111265624 21362 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 20:53:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 21:53:44 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkwT-0007EC-LB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:53:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DClDE-0004Qm-Qc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:10:24 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Trace: individual.net mdRFckzcPVuSNz1ieojooQJOdsoUBkKe7JGh367cl0iDSpzhXI X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IZX8aGFNA3JBGnqO2yRw8/M+w0c= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129438 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24993 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24993 Miles Bader writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> Transient mark mode is an abomination. It really needed to be >> replaced by the implementation of temporary transient mark mode (which >> also is activated by dragging the mouse) in Emacs 22. > > Yeesh. > > It's matter of taste David. > > [I've tried to use "temporary transient mark mode" exclusively before, > and found the "double press" required to activate it quite annoying. > It felt artificial and clumsy.] It is artificial, but the times where I really _want_ an active instead of an available region are rather few, and the side effects of regions becoming either unavailable or completely dictatorial were annoying in the extreme. Now my regions are mostly in that half-baked state that is most convenient for most purposes, at least for me. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum