From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: umlauts (8bit characters) input Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:38:14 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107348131 31846 80.91.229.2 (2 Feb 2005 12:42:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 02 13:42:11 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwJpb-0000d2-Ir for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:42:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwK2g-0002fN-RW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:55:35 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Trace: individual.net VsVQoe6HiyRmvDcy/AelOQvS25ksereCpX3vD0EQOHU+7JYrIh X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mT+Fmh6HRkWcoKSMqaPv6PE0Rh8= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:128339 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:23848 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:23848 Peter Dyballa writes: > Am 01.02.2005 um 13:36 schrieb David Kastrup: > >>> And yes, if I change my locale to UTF-8, emacs shall just follow case >>> without me having to edit the whole .emacs file again. >> >> And Emacs does just that. Throw out whatever customization of locales >> and whatsoever you have in your .emacs, or start with an empty .emacs, >> and it should work. > > Well, throwing away all this "valuable" customization leads in > Terminal to dired-buffers with 'uuu' encoding -- and short and precise > file names with real umlauts! But in shell they're gone ... a bunch of > control codes? (I am using tcsh and see > a\314?o\314?u\314?\303?U\314?O\314?A\314?\342?\254 instead of > äöü?ÜÖÄÛ, shell has only 'uu-') In "Terminal" vs "in Shell"? What are you doing? > The X11 client is even worse: copy and paste in this same Emacs does > not work (a simple ä is converted to a whole book volume of glyphs > that are hard to describe), dired-mode uses a simple 'u' (mode-line > goes '-u:%%...') and displays 'aou...Û', and shell uses no > mode '--:**...' as in Terminal and shows the name as in Terminal. > > In xterm shell has '-uu-:**..' and shows the same as in > Terminal. Again dired works fine! > > So it seems I have to wait for GNU Emacs 25 -- if I'm still alive! I don't think that any of those problems are in the current code base (to become 21.4), and apart from the X11 copy&paste (where there have been larger changes since 21.3), I doubt that most of the stuff you relate will happen on a clean, normal setup with consistent locale settings. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum