From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:09:47 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111497750 2507 80.91.229.2 (22 Mar 2005 13:22:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 14:22:30 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDjKu-0001Qh-FW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:22:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DDjcD-00036a-4A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:40:13 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Trace: individual.net NuoVbswdgbuOuBh4HqSnvgIotFpN0/5Wfrye7e7GH0R9j7xUx1 X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qUw54vYmAIjx1x+Eamd25NkRw7c= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129540 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25090 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25090 Brian Elmegaard writes: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > >> a bit. But please, _describe_ these exotic unknown programs rather than >> > I think I did already. But the users prefer an interface like: > http://www.winedt.com/HTML/snap.html Well, then let them use it. Why should you force Emacs onto them if they don't want it? While I think that it might be nice if Emacs would abstract interface elements internally to a degree to make it possible to employ most of the standard widgetry available nowadays, this is going to be a slow process at best, and it has to be done carefully in order not to tie oneself too closely to the technology du jour: Emacs' life span has been _much_ longer than that of its host systems. > In addition I would like to be able to something like > http://eclipse.org/articles/Article-GEF-editor/gef-schema-editor.html > inside emacs. That looks so much like a graphical application that it appears completely pointless to have it "in Emacs". Tighter integration with the graphic creating software might be desirable, like being able to use Emacs for editing text widgets, but the application itself is probably better left apart from Emacs. preview-latex will provide graphical elements in a more or less accessible way, but you still edit the source code, not the elements themselves. And Emacs is, after all, a source code editor. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum