From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: save-excursion doesn't always work Date: 16 Dec 2002 18:43:26 +0100 Organization: T-Online Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1a52e3d.0212142138.2f5aed8@posting.google.com> <5l7keaeyuy.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <5lu1hdew66.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040061271 27468 80.91.224.249 (16 Dec 2002 17:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18NzRj-00078a-00 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:54:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18NzOP-0002MU-08 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:51:01 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1040060606 02 18393 y-61EAfET4A+2S 021216 17:43:26 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:108180 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4708 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4708 "Stefan Monnier " writes: > >> It might do a few things slightly differently, but it will modify the > >> buffer anyway, even if the end result is exactly the same as the > >> starting point (e.g. it will first turn all \n into spaces and then > >> turn them back into \n). > > We are not talking about modification of the buffer, but about marks > > being moved around in seemingly random manner. > > Unless they're explicitly moved, marks only move in response to > buffer modifications. Yes. But if you do modifications that end up doing nothing, the marks may move or not. The former is more of a nuisance than the latter. > Maybe the default filling function works better than AUCTeX in this > regard (I don't know) but even if it does, it doesn't work 100% as > the user wants it to. Come off it. Nobody uses M-q as a substitute for forward-paragraph on filled text. It is a text-changing command. I don't think people will complain much if it changes text. They will complain if regions and marks end up on the wrong side of (maybe adjusted) white space, though. _Regardless_ of whether there were indeed formatting changes or not. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum