From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: user sees \xxx but is thwarted from searching for them Date: 16 Apr 2002 13:36:45 +0200 Organization: T-Online Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1018957144 7858 127.0.0.1 (16 Apr 2002 11:39:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16xRIe-00022d-00 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:39:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16xRIl-00029i-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:39:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16xRGT-0001kB-00 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from imh00.t-online.com by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16xRGQ-0002JA-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:36:46 +0200 Original-Received: from news.t-online.com by imh00.t-online.com with esmtp id 16xRGQ-0002Qa-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:36:46 +0200 Original-Received: from news by news.t-online.com with local id 16xRGQ-0005se-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:36:46 +0200 Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu Original-Path: news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1018957006 01 22607 SXs4TlhVSSAhOI 020416 11:36:46 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i";/yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:699 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:699 eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) writes: > On 16 Apr 2002, Dan Jacobson wrote: > > > Anyway, the user sees a \. The user wants to hunt for a \. The user > > must have a Ph.D. to hunt for a \. > > Not really. `M-: (skip-chars-forward "\000-\177") RET' will do. > Wrapping this into a simple user command is left as an exercise for the > interested reader. That's exactly what Dan means by "must have a Ph.D.". It is easy, but non-obvious. It's something a highly specialized and skilled person will be able to come up with, while a normal human won't. That's why the specialists are paid serious money, not because they are better at grinding through tedious work that anybody else could do, but because they know how to do the job fast, appropriate and properly. There will always be enough of a job left for the specialists in Emacs. BTW, one common quirk of mine is that when I am saving or sending or whatever else a file, and Emacs decides it is not able to find a suitable encoding system for it, there is _no_ easy way to find out just what characters prohibit encoding in, say, Latin-1. I usually end up deleting and replacing all accented letters in the text manually and hoping that I will eventually have hit upon the culprit from a different code page. We have regular expressions like [::ascii::] or so, perhaps something like [::encodable-in-the-current-default-encoding::] [::not-encodable-in-latin2::] (look for better names) would be a first shot at making things easier to wrap into user accessible functions. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum Email: David.Kastrup@t-online.de