From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: 06 May 2003 17:16:35 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com> <060520030745372240%jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052235556 27630 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 15:39:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 17:39:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19D4U5-0006uG-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 17:36:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D4G3-0000sA-08 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 11:21:31 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1052234197 04 26068 JDo7EUHGTLAV1P 030506 15:16:37 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-ID: r6kxaYZSre6+c2H6b3WsEcidGE0tsgFF1jPDXLbduSpas7sdK5ew08 X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112840 comp.sys.mac.apps:360648 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9338 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9338 Jerry Kindall writes: > No, you've got it backwards. When you launch Emacs, you tell your > Mac "I want to travel to Emacs-land" and implicitly accept its > foreign customs. Emacs is practically an OS of its own -- it > includes a Turing-complete programming language with which mail and > news readers, and other applications, have been implemented, all > inside the editor. In short, launching Emacs and complaining about > the keyboard shortcuts is like launching Windows under Virtual PC > and complaining that all the windows are funny-looking. > > If Emacs worked like a Mac program, it wouldn't be Emacs anymore... Emacs dresses a lot more like the locals than XEmacs does (which looks pretty much the same anywhere). Apart from that, the land of the Emacsen is by now almost like Belgium: you can talk in various idioms and get understood. There is the slightly augmented form of the original French (as in freedom fries) with terms like "nonante" and "(cua-mode 1)", but you can also expect to find people speaking Dutch, viper-mode or even wordstar-mode or German. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum