From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:01:40 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <1111219043.820733.143980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <86d5tvx69t.fsf@pallotta.studby.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111232420 2695 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 11:40:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 12:40:19 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCcJO-00028l-KI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:40:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCcUq-0007aY-6m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:52:00 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Trace: individual.net WQgXZGHYhcCZfJWnmNZQAA812k1cPJGsPVgqI4scdjzncoz0VX X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XjQtPiAdrgLZSWkWfUeu3aEajho= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129382 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24938 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24938 steinab@ifi.uio.no (Steinar Børmer) writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > | Transient mark mode is an abomination. It really needed to be > | replaced by the implementation of temporary transient mark mode > | (which also is activated by dragging the mouse) in Emacs 22. > | > | Have you tried CVS Emacs recently? There definitely is no reason > | to use transient-mark mode permanently any more. > > I don't quite see how you can say that. Temporary transient mark > mode has a point, yes, but I would rather have it enabled > permanently rather than needing a keybinding each time I need it. > (I never mark a region with the mouse). With transient-mark-mode, the region tends to be marked when it annoys me, and unmarked when I would need it. > The problem for me is that without transient mark mode, I often run > into situations where I mark the "wrong" region, and then I have to > go back and do it all over again. Then I'd have to press `C-SPC > C-SPC' before marking once more. An "active region" is more than just the area between point and an active mark. For things like cut&paste, it amounts to pretty much the same, but it also affects search&replace operation and, say, in AUCTeX what happens if you use the keybindings for insertion environments and font selection commands (which go _around_ the active region). > Would you care to elaborate on this? You don't need to "go back and do it all over again". Just use C-u C-x C-x to activate or reactivate an existing region. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum