From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Starting emacs without initial frame Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:48:42 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <87vf7osyho.fsf@rivendell.grasswurzel.nett> <873bus51nr.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111225832 20142 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 09:50:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 10:50:32 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCab3-0001jP-7M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:50:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCari-0004KK-Hp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:07:30 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Trace: individual.net IZO50cpAxakS/SkJzz8NPg//EI78hpqn6BiiWrcMprSa2ZdYEe X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OqWFyNsvyDya2+QzjSCbAINsuWQ= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129378 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24933 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24933 Miles Bader writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Is there a way to start emacs without an initial frame like the >>> --unmapped option in xemacs? >> >> Not that I know. You can make the initial frame unmapped, but it'll be >> unmapped only after the .emacs is read, so it'll temporarily appear. > > Kind of stupid that, isn't it? I vaguely recall that Gerd > successfully changed Emacs to map the initial frame only _after_ > .emacs was read, but people who did weird things in their .emacs > complained so this eminently reasonable behavior was dropped for > "compatibility". > > It seems to me that it would much nicer to have Emacs map the frame > only after .emacs is read, and add a (map-frame) function or > something that people could use to force it to map earlier. At the current point of time, the only sensible way of turning the toolbar off (and similar manipulations affecting display geometry) is by manipulating X resources. All other options will lead to window resizes, meaning that the chosen startup frame layout is wrong. Basically most of the "Hide/Show" menu is affected. Mapping late would help a lot. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum