From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:51:48 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <1111219043.820733.143980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111226030 20495 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 09:53:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 10:53:49 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCaeO-0001yb-Qu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:53:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCav3-0004X0-FM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:10:57 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Trace: individual.net nqIDbS4nvnQ4rOFEkonl4wtLEPlN29vNxhq3L3nvFigj6OpQfe X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bdf6HL4ko0WKtXK8F/J/yZ+XEgI= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129379 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24934 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24934 "rgb" writes: > It isn't really. But the tutorial only teaches the `hard way' and > the defaults have the cool stuff turned off so you must learn all > about customizing and what's available and how to turn each feature > on before your really using it. Even transient-mark-mode is off by > default. Transient mark mode is an abomination. It really needed to be replaced by the implementation of temporary transient mark mode (which also is activated by dragging the mouse) in Emacs 22. Have you tried CVS Emacs recently? There definitely is no reason to use transient-mark mode permanently any more. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum