From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gud lord! Date: 10 Jun 2003 14:54:23 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <16098.1698.415992.223606@nick.uklinux.net> <200306071612.h57GCJQi010536@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1055169148.1342.8.camel@lan1> Reply-To: dak@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055249607 23330 80.91.224.249 (10 Jun 2003 12:53:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 10 14:53:26 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Picq-00063a-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:53:20 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PixL-0003Wq-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:14:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Pieh-0005ab-NB for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:55:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PieL-0005PT-Tm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:54:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PieK-0005L3-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:54:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PieI-0005Hf-Pt; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:54:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19PieG-00013s-02; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:54:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (TWahl-ZlweBjuUAWiFJBmTTXj0x-paSH+yfU0n+QyLpcxL3iY2rVUT@[217.80.160.73]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19Pie3-2IA0cy0; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:54:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5ACsT56022957; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:54:33 +0200 Original-Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h5ACsOuS022953; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:54:24 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Seen: false X-ID: TWahl-ZlweBjuUAWiFJBmTTXj0x-paSH+yfU0n+QyLpcxL3iY2rVUT@t-dialin.net Original-cc: Robert Anderson X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14990 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14990 Richard Stallman writes: > > If we are going to discuss what version control system to use, > > let's not do it under the rubric of "open source". > > My use of "open source" is no "rubric" associated with any particular > group. > > The term "open source" is the name of a movement that was formed in > 1998 to reject the free software movement's ideals. In my opinion, not so much reject as downplay them, in order to sucker^W convince people to develop free software that wouldn't think of doing so `merely' for the sake of freedom. I'd consider some of the capitalization achieved for free software companies (like RedHat that acquired Cygnus and thus keeps GCC going financially) to be due to the "Open Software" hype at that time. > Many open source supporters tell people we are part of the open > source movement. We are trying to show people that is not so. We profit in some ways from it. Of course, there is also backlash when business finds itself having problems from exalted expectations. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum