From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ok, here is the bug I have been looking for. Kim, not Jan...
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:01:26 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <x57jkqb9bt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc339e4a050302022813aa5676@mail.gmail.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:28:37 +0900")
Miles Bader <snogglethorpe@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:52:13 +0100, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>> I find it highly embarrassing that I have to tell people that want
>> to test drive Emacs without becoming a debugger-savvy developer
>
> Why do you find it "embarrassing"?
Because there is no other usable Emacs to be had?
> Is it surprising to these people that a develop tree is optimized
> for ... development?
It isn't. This "optimization" has wasted a week for me already, by
triggering non-bugs that were slated to be fixed anyway.
Just because I point out that the external damage we are doing with
this kind of thing is acutely embarrassing and unnecessary does not
mean that it not also impedes development internally.
> It is certainly possible for Richard to decide that the default
> state of the CVS trunk should be optimized for random users who want
> to check out Emacs, and not for people interested in helping find
> bugs.
You conveniently ignore that I already explained several times that
this setting in the current situation is actively _preventing_ fixing
the kind of "bugs" that get triggered by it.
Just that I also point out that shooting others in the foot is not
going to make us popular does not mean that I consider shooting
ourselves in the foot a great pastime.
> But I think it should an explicit decision to that effect.
I was of the opinion I was arguing just for that.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-02 11:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-01 4:58 Ok, here is the bug I have been looking for. Kim, not Jan David Kastrup
2005-03-01 8:34 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-01 23:24 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-01 23:52 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-02 8:47 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-02 10:28 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 11:01 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-03-02 11:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-02 12:12 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 23:10 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-02 23:40 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-02 23:58 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-03 12:57 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-04 16:48 ` Jan D.
2005-03-06 21:16 ` Kim F. Storm
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