From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: hlin@crescentec.com Date: 13 Jan 2003 22:05:24 +0100 Organization: T-Online Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3DFA4284.3080909@ihs.com> <7MEU9.12$qe2.1505@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042492350 2100 80.91.224.249 (13 Jan 2003 21:12:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18YBsj-0000Xi-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:12:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YBrS-0008Fz-0D for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:11:10 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.infostrada.it!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1042491924 00 11081 r4d-EJtTTVAXN6 030113 21:05:24 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:108924 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:5452 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:5452 Barry Margolin writes: > In article , > Jesper Harder wrote: > >Kevin Rodgers writes: > > > >> Every message I post to gnu.emacs.help (via news.cis.dfn.de) now > >> results in the attached message being mailed to me. What else should > >> I do? > > > >*Sigh*, crescentec.com is still broken -- this is getting annoying. > >I've now started to report every auto-reply to . > > > >Maybe they'll be more motivated to fix their broken server when it gets > >blacklisted. > > What's broken? The bounce messages just say that the user doesn't > exist. The bounce message contain obvious junk complaint addresses (something like $postmaster$@missing.domain), the postmaster at their site is a black hole, and the bounce messages are not sent to the X-Complaints-To: address, and not to the Reply-To: address, but to the From: address. The message that gets sent is stripped of the relevant headers that could help one determine who the complaint should have been sent to in the first place. > Can't it just be an obsolete entry in the mailing list that the > newsgroup gateways to? Shouldn't removing him from the list solve > the problem? Sure. It is just that crescentec.com does its utmost to sabotage the relevant information getting to the right party. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum