From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: [Reuben Thomas] browse-url.el Opera support Date: 17 Jan 2004 21:43:28 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074372427 19007 80.91.224.253 (17 Jan 2004 20:47:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 17 21:47:01 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AhxLQ-00057d-01 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:47:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhxJu-0006rF-B1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:45:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AhxId-0006Hf-C5 for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:44:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AhxI2-0005JZ-9j for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:44:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.59.10.2] (helo=chx400.switch.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AhxI1-0005H8-PS for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:43:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.fu-berlin.de ([160.45.11.165]) by chx400.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AhxI0-0006NW-00 for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:43:28 +0100 Original-Received: by mail.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (160.45.10.36) with esmtp id ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:43:27 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from news.fu-berlin.de with bsmtp id ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:43:27 +0100 (MET) Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org Original-Path: p3ee20b83.dip.t-dialin.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 35 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: p3ee20b83.dip.t-dialin.net (62.226.11.131) X-Orig-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1074372207 16912128 62.226.11.131 ([198409]) X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:6610 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:6610 Reuben Thomas writes: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > The free software movement is based on the recognition that > > non-free software is antisocial and unethical. It is a social > > problem, and our work is to solve that problem. Success for us > > does not mean writing popular free programs, it means ending the > > antisocial practice of distributing non-free software. > > The main means you've chosen to end the practice of distributing > non-free software is to distribute free alternatives, so you're not > going to be successful if your programs aren't popular. If my goal is free speech, then this goal is achieved when everybody that wants to can speak up. Even if the percentage of those that actually want to make use of that freedom are few. > I have no such principle. If I had to state anything so dangerous as > an absolute principle, it would be much closer to your position than > to the one you infer. I do believe in proportionality, though: this > particular case (a very small feature) should, in my view be decided > pretty much purely on technical grounds. On technical grounds, there is no necessity for it. There are already hooks that make it reasonably easy to get the behavior you want. So it is easy enough for the Opera user community to discuss and propose and implement and distribute what they consider best for using in connection with Emacs. They just can't rely on the GNU project to maintain and distribute and recommend such stuff. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum