From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: configure script Date: 12 Jun 2002 12:40:17 +0200 Organization: T-Online Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <61D0BADD.74BBFB3A.B8B383E9@netscape.net> <200206081915.g58JFT128804@aztec.santafe.edu> <538dgukrilgffka0tdkddf7hdph4i9b5va@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1023880158 16216 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2002 11:09:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17I605-0004DR-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:09:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17I5zy-0005Qb-00; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:09:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17I5Z8-0002ar-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:41:26 -0400 Original-Received: from imh00.t-online.com by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17I5Z6-0002tE-00; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:41:24 +0200 Original-Received: from news.t-online.com by imh00.t-online.com with esmtp id 17I5Z5-0003UU-00; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:41:23 +0200 Original-Received: from news by news.t-online.com with local id 17I5Z5-000414-00; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:41:23 +0200 Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu Original-Path: news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1023878483 03 15441 XRdlbpxbSVAreR 020612 10:41:23 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6,xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN;i";/yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:1960 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:1960 ss@janiika.com (Sami Sihvonen) writes: > (cc: gnu.emacs.bug, rms@gnu.org) > > In article <200206081915.g58JFT128804@aztec.santafe.edu>, > rms@gnu.org (Richard Stallman) wrote: > > > You can't be "in Linux"; Linux is the kernel, and the kernel does not > > obey user commands. You are probably talking to a shell, perhaps > > Bash, the GNU Shell. Is that right? See > > http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. > > You mean GNU/Linux, not Linux? :-) Really a shame for GNU/Linux > and Linus Torvalds that they don't notice all the efforts made > by GNU-Project and Free Software Foundation. This is about the most shameless lie and insinuation that I have ever heard. Linus Torvalds has always acknowledged the major influence GNU has had on Linux development. He did not choose the GPL for Linux accidentally. Nobody denies the major contribution of the GNU project to Linux systems. Nobody would deny that all available Linux systems _are_ GNU systems. But that is no reason to adulterate the name. It is the one putting together a system that gets to name it. A painting is named by painter, not by the paint manufacturer. Regardless how good or indispensible the paints have been for the work. That RMS quite shamelessly tries to hijack _all_ credit he can think of and feels comfortable with ignoring everybody else's contribution to Free systems as long as he gets his in, is quite hypocritical. RMS never had any naming qualms when he subsumed X, or the BSD networking utilities and stacks, or Mach kernel, or whatever else into GNU/Hurd. RMS is not one to pussyfoot around the issue, and has never been afraid to voice his opinions about matters, even where his views were quite different from the "establishment". That is one of his main strengths. It is a pity that now that with his help and visions indeed a Free Software sphere has been established, he does his best to fight this as well. I do think he could employ his strengths for better causes than that. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum Email: David.Kastrup@t-online.de