From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:37:15 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111246691 6303 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 15:38:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 16:38:11 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCg1f-0000fb-ME for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:38:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgIN-00078d-Qv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:55:23 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Trace: individual.net VC+ZL91B+WlA9VtG9n4HTAXSe4TPyAQu52pvh8ZIvTreicbtcM X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5Tc6ilyWk6PVGywRQ4kTbjc4IIc= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129397 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24952 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24952 PT writes: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:42:38 +0100, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > >> PT writes: >> >>> Sigh. When some people sees how I work with Emacs they want to learn >>> it. The idea is to relieve the initial pain of meeting Emacs the >>> first time, so that they don't give it up in disgust, before they get >>> to know it better. >> >> at some point everyone gives up (perhaps in disgust) on something, >> instead of getting to know it better. > > Exactly. My heretic idea is to rethink the whole Emacs interface > (defaults, keybindings). Make the default Emacs very similary to > modern CUA-based applications. Give less reason for the newbies to > give up in disgust. It takes a coherent idea to be considered a heretic. Half-baked moping is not heretical. CUA mode exists, and is accessible via the "Options" menu already. And you are living in a fantasy world if you think that newbies would be kept from giving up just because of that. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum