From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Petteri Hintsanen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: c-ts-mode Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:15:00 +0300 Message-ID: References: <5F73CB5D-DB00-439F-AD7C-7E209EC83A35@gmail.com> <83jzt2z5mk.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1hhykni.fsf@gnu.org> <877cp1lvih.fsf@gmail.com> <83v8clyhqi.fsf@gnu.org> <83tts5ygv2.fsf@gnu.org> <83msxxxkc0.fsf@gnu.org> <871qf9ktxd.fsf@gmail.com> <838r9gykia.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cjvpf5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25068"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, casouri@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 13 21:21:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVQX-0006I9-Vp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:21:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgVPf-0006Ei-1D; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:20:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgSWS-00026s-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:15:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.kapsi.fi ([2001:67c:1be8::25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgSWM-0001Kq-DP; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: from kapsi.fi ([2001:67c:1be8::11] helo=lakka.kapsi.fi) by mail.kapsi.fi with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qgSW4-005WVF-25; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:15:01 +0300 Original-Received: from phintsan by lakka.kapsi.fi with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgSW4-00A931-6Q; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:15:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83v8cjvpf5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 09 Sep 2023 09:19:58 +0300") X-Rspam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Rspam-Report: Action: no action Symbol: ARC_NA(0.00) Symbol: BAYES_SPAM(0.00) Symbol: R_SPF_NEUTRAL(0.00) Symbol: FROM_HAS_DN(0.00) Symbol: FREEMAIL_ENVRCPT(0.00) Symbol: TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00) Symbol: MIME_GOOD(-0.10) Symbol: RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00) Symbol: DMARC_NA(0.00) Symbol: TO_DN_SOME(0.00) Symbol: RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00) Symbol: BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00) Symbol: NEURAL_HAM(0.00) Symbol: FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00) Symbol: R_DKIM_NA(0.00) Symbol: MIME_TRACE(0.00) Symbol: ASN(0.00) Symbol: FREEMAIL_CC(0.00) Symbol: MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00) Symbol: RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00) Message-ID: x2mcyym3v97.fsf@iki.fi X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2001:67c:1be8::11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: petterih@iki.fi X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.kapsi.fi); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Received-SPF: neutral client-ip=2001:67c:1be8::25; envelope-from=petterih@iki.fi; helo=mail.kapsi.fi X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:20:18 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310554 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It is great that Emacs is able to leverage the power of third party libs >> and tools, but I think this should not come at the expense of built in >> functionality. Of course the rant above was a rhetoric exaggeration, >> but still it is perhaps something to keep in mind when designing for the >> future. > > We always keep that in mind. I know you do. My ranting would probably have been best left unwritten. Case in point: while updating to Emacs 29, I converted all init code to use the new use-package macro. There was stuff from 10+ years back I had not actually used in ages. Nonetheless, almost everything worked flawlessly in Emacs 29. It feels impossible to witness anything like this with any other piece of software. Thanks, Petteri