From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16038: 24.3; latest change to with-help-window makes temp-buffer-browse useless Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 01:59:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <52D14E9F.5030001@gmx.at> <52D16627.4080604@gmx.at> <52D2661A.4000105@gmx.at> <47simcy5ab.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1404820979 9790 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2014 12:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 12:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16038@debbugs.gnu.org To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 08 14:02:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X4U6g-000053-Fr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 14:02:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55215 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4U6g-0001Xr-59 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 08:02:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4ORj-0002rk-Nn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 02:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4ORf-0000nl-VO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 02:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:55319) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4ORf-0000nX-TA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 02:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X4ORf-0004l1-Az for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 02:00:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 06:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16038.140479915018139 (code B ref 16038); Tue, 08 Jul 2014 06:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2014 05:59:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46469 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X4OQn-0004iU-QI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 01:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45303 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X4OQl-0004iJ-TC for 16038@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 01:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4OQl-0006gh-7h; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 01:59:07 -0400 X-Spook: [Hello to all my friends and fans in domestic X-Ran: >6omHBggW&8RumW]A#3=`0@[/qPK#UaP'4Dt0O|HlT_c9UH X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <47simcy5ab.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 07 Jul 2014 22:04:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91309 Archived-At: PS personally I'd advise you to just revert this change. Read the description of with-output-to-temp-buffer in the elisp manual. As we showed with vc-annotate, it behaved like that "for ever". The help-mode thing is an integral part of what it does. AFAICS, you didn't really say why you want to change this. If you don't like the hooks being non-empty by default, you could perhaps move that code to the body. If you don't like the association of "temp buffer" and help, think of it as with-output-to-temp-help-buffer, if that makes you happier.