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From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
To: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Rene@Kyllingstad.com
Subject: Re: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:24:07 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wly5u7y4so.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wl39cgq8gc.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:32:19 +0900, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> said:

>> I'll admit that my mac development experience ended about ten years
>> ago, but my reading of the notes from then and now both suggest that
>> Carbon is a Toolbox replacement/bridge tool, and that it is being
>> phased out over time. I believe that your information is more
>> up-to-date than mine, but my reading of the notes on Carbon seems to
>> state clearly that the entire thing is deprecated and will
>> eventually go away.  I trust you when you say that this is not a
>> practical concern for the Mac port today. Do you believe that it is
>> also not a practical concern for main-line Emacs over the next few
>> years?

> I don't think the above C APIs that are supported and legitimate even
> in iOS will go away in the near future.  For the Carbon framework
> (again, its non-GUI part), you can find about half of the bundled
> applications in Mac OS X 10.7 Lion are using it.  You can list them
> with:

>   $ for f in /Applications/*.app /Applications/Utilities/*.app; do otool -L "$f"/Contents/MacOS/* | grep -q Carbon && echo "$f"; done 

> Safari.app is not listed, but actually it uses the Carbon framework,
> too.

>   $ otool -L /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Safari.framework/Safari | grep Carbon

> So, it wouldn't go away too soon, either.  (Of course, I can't speak
> for Apple, as I said in the post I referred to in the previous
> message.)

Most of the uses of the Carbon framework in the Mac port are for Apple
Events and Carbon Events.  If the former is removed from the framework
in the near future, then Apple will provide some replacements in the
Cocoa framework beforehand or at least at the same time.  For the
latter, I don't think its removal would happen in the near future,
because Apple has added new types of Carbon Events even at the release
of the most recent version of Mac OS X (See
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Headers/CarbonEvents.h
and search for 10.7).

				     YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
				mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp



  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-20  9:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-12 13:11 C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Carsten Mattner
2011-12-14 17:56 ` chad
2011-12-14 20:50 ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-14 21:45   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-15  6:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-15 20:42       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-15 20:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-15 21:22           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-15 21:24       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 12:46         ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 13:33           ` Jan D.
2011-12-16 14:21             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 14:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-16 19:00                 ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 19:02                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 20:11                     ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 20:14                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 20:19                         ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 20:21                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 21:12                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-16 21:21                               ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-16 21:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-16 21:22                             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17  8:33                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-16 21:24                             ` Andreas Schwab
2011-12-17  3:41                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-17  4:36                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-12-17  8:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-17  9:46                                 ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 12:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-17 13:50                                     ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 15:39                                 ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 15:49                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 16:08                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-17 16:09                                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 16:20                                     ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 16:47                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 17:15                                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 17:19                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 17:46                                             ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 18:06                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17 18:18                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 18:20                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19  8:40                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-19 10:59                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 11:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-19 11:51                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 14:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-19 11:53                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-17  9:27                               ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-16 21:49                             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-17  8:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-17  0:22                             ` Paul Eggert
2011-12-17  9:14                               ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 17:30                                 ` Adrian Robert
2011-12-17 17:53                                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-17 18:19                                 ` Paul Eggert
2011-12-19 18:18                                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-19 21:31                                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-12-19  9:00                               ` René Kyllingstad
2011-12-19 11:00                                 ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 15:53                                   ` Jan D.
2011-12-19 16:52                                     ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 17:04                                       ` chad
2011-12-19 17:25                                       ` René Kyllingstad
2011-12-19 17:47                                         ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 22:27                                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2011-12-19 22:29                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 23:42                                             ` chad
2011-12-20  0:03                                         ` chad
2011-12-20  1:12                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-20  1:28                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-20  1:40                                             ` chad
2011-12-20  2:14                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-12-20  2:32                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-20  9:24                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu [this message]
2011-12-20 18:33                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-21  0:38                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-21 10:42                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-22  0:34                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-22 11:23                                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-22  0:42                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-22 11:28                                                     ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-23  1:28                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-23  8:09                                                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-24  1:54                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-26 15:31                                                             ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-26 15:46                                                               ` David Reitter
2011-12-26 16:26                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-26 16:41                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-27  1:28                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-27  1:14                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-23 13:26                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-23 15:05                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-27 15:52                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-28  4:50                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-12-28  7:36                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-28 10:42                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-28 13:44                                                                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-29  0:18                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-29  0:57                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-29 15:15                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-30  0:34                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-30 14:52                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-30 22:12                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-31 13:22                                                                             ` Mac OS-compatible ports (was: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion)) Ted Zlatanov
2011-12-31 14:27                                                                               ` Mac OS-compatible ports Jan D.
2012-01-01  1:54                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01 10:48                                                                                   ` Jan Djärv
2012-01-01 15:31                                                                                     ` Adrian Robert
2012-01-02  0:13                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01  1:47                                                                               ` Mac OS-compatible ports (was: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion)) YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01  7:02                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01 21:18                                                                                   ` Mac OS-compatible ports David De La Harpe Golden
2012-01-02  6:04                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01 10:50                                                                                 ` Mac OS-compatible ports (was: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion)) Carsten Mattner
2012-01-01 14:06                                                                                 ` Mac OS-compatible ports Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02  0:43                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-01  6:26                                                                               ` Leo
2012-01-01 10:36                                                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2012-01-01 10:48                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 10:08                                                                                   ` Christian Lynbech
2012-01-07 13:09                                                                                     ` Dimitri Fontaine
2012-01-08  1:07                                                                                       ` Dave Abrahams
2012-01-08  1:10                                                                                       ` Dave Abrahams
2012-01-08  1:28                                                                                       ` chad
2012-01-08  8:37                                                                                         ` Dimitri Fontaine
2012-01-01 13:24                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 19:22                                                                                 ` chad
2011-12-20  1:57                                             ` C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Leo
2011-12-20  7:29                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-12-19 18:15                                       ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2011-12-19 18:50                                         ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 19:40                                           ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2011-12-19 20:16                                             ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-19 20:46                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-20 17:34                                                 ` Adrian Robert
2011-12-17 18:26             ` Richard Stallman
2011-12-17 18:30               ` Carsten Mattner
     [not found]                 ` <CACY+HvrywuKjP8-TtONhaX-D6hK7WPKFhe2gqWA9BkjkpZ_uAg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-12-18 10:22                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-18 13:52                     ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-18 14:35                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-18 15:09                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-18 17:58                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19  6:32                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-19 11:04                           ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 13:33                             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 15:55                             ` Jan D.
2011-12-19 16:53                               ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 17:48                                 ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-19 18:51                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19 20:16                                     ` Jan Djärv
2011-12-18 16:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-12-18 17:11                       ` Carsten Mattner
2011-12-19  2:51                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-12-19 11:10                   ` Carsten Mattner

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