Re: CVS HEAD fails to build on OSX 10.4 (macterm.c broken?)

[YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>]

>>>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:53:26 +0300, Yavor Doganov <yavor@gnu.org> said:
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> FWIW, (probably a well known fact) -- the GNUstep project has
> absolutely no plans to implement Carbon, even before Apple's
> announcement which finally made it clear that using Carbon should be
> discouraged.

Even the Cocoa/GNUstep port uses Carbon (CoreGraphics) routines for
drawing texts on Mac.  And I don't think Apple is discouraging whole
of the Carbon, as they are to introduce new frameworks such as
CoreText.  Also, some features such as Apple event support can't go
without Carbon.  Finally, there's no reason (for me) to avoid the use
of existing Carbon code that I'm really familiar with and also many
users have already tested.

> So unless the plans of your Carbon+AppKit port are to get rid of
> Carbon at some point, it is not an option for us (GNUstep users).
> It is not about a conflict or competition between these two ports,
> we just don't have an option if the alternative port is useless for
> GNUstep.  This is more than unfortunate given the fact that we've
> been waiting for years for the merge of the unicode branch, hoping
> that the GNUstep merge will follow shortly afterwards.

I think I've rather said something more advantageous to the inclusion
of the Cocoa/GNUstep port to Emacs 23: I said I would quit the
development of the Carbon port for Emacs 23, and proposed the
inclusion of the Carbon+AppKit port to (later versions of) Emacs 22,
not to Emacs 23.

> Of course, you are the one to decide what to do with your free time;
> I just regret that the most active developer on that front has a
> different vision that doesn't include GNUstep.

GNUstep is too much for me.  One of the most difficult tasks about the
Carbon+AppKit port was to absorb the difference between multiple
versions of Mac OS X, and adding more platforms exceeds my ability
(I've just started to learn Cocoa and Objective-C in July).

				     YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
				mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp