From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes 2009-07-15/16 in branch? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:27:57 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248398898 7590 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2009 01:28:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Adrian Robert , Emacs-Devel devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 24 03:28:11 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MU9Zy-0007n1-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:28:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MU9Zy-0001Y6-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MU9Zs-0001Wg-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MU9Zn-0001Qv-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39614 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MU9Zn-0001Qn-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:49578) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MU9Zm-0002JQ-MN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EB12C44; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:27:57 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113074 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:09:20 -0400, Stefan Monnier said: >>>>> Hello Yamamoto-san, Did you mean to check the changes below into >>>>> the branch? I *think* these are pretty safe, but it seems a bit >>>>> close to release for such feature changes, even in the name of >>>>> standardization. My vote would be to do these on trunk only for >>>>> now. >>> I'd agree. >> All these changes are straightforward removal of the codes for >> features that are not found in other platforms, and nevertheless >> not inherently NS-specific. I didn't add any code to provide new >> features at all. > I know, but I think such changes so late in the pretest aren't a > good idea. Only critical bugs deserve to be fixed now. I know. But there are several peculiarities for the NS port. * The upcoming version is the first official one for the NS port. "First" means there's no previous one to care about compatibility. If we defer these changes to the next version (say 23.2), then compatibility problems occur between 23.1 and 23.2. * I've warned these incompatibilities several times hoping that the author himself fixes them. I don't understand why he wants to break compatibility by keeping them. And I don't think there's justification to keep the features I removed. Of course, there are plenty of them to remove. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp