From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 18:38:39 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209807560 19474 80.91.229.12 (3 May 2008 09:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Chong Yidong , Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 03 11:39:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsEDa-00064g-1h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 11:39:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsECs-0006Mx-KH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 05:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsECj-0006MT-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 05:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsECg-0006Lb-Nd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 05:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53107 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsECg-0006LY-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 05:38:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ntp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2] helo=mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsECb-0005Ov-8Y; Sat, 03 May 2008 05:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C8F2C40; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:38:39 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/23.0.50 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96369 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 09:10:43 -0700, Dan Nicolaescu said: > YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu writes: >> >>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:31:34 -0700, Dan Nicolaescu >> said: >> >> > Looking at src/ChangeLog there are pages after pages of changes >> for > the Mac, which don't look at all like minor changes... >> >> You're seeing the changes that have been accumulated for a >> relatively long period because I restricted the changes between >> 22.1 and 22.2 to strict bug fixes. Correction: not "between 22.1 and 22.2", but "between 22.0.90 and 22.2". That's why the recent changes include those as of before-merge-multi-tty-to-trunk. > Yidong said "minor changes", not "strict bug fixes". Because Emacs 22.1 was the first official major version for Mac OS X, and the Carbon port was relatively young compared with other ports, we had to be really careful about its stability. That's why I put such restriction, i.e., "strict bug fixes" rather than "minor changes", myself on that period. On the other hand, some progress (*1) has been made locally between 22.0.90 and 22.2. As the Carbon port is likely to become Emacs 22 only, such progress has no appropriate destination other than EMACS_22_BASE. *1: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg00249.html >> Don't worry. They don't break the Carbon port of Emacs 22 unlike >> the minimally-tested multi-tty support you've done for the Carbon >> port of Emacs 23. > Thank you, this is a great way to thank someone that is not a user > of Carbon, does not have experience on that platform, but > volunteered his time to get it from not even compiling to the point > where it can start up. And that was the only effort since to get > this working. Again, thank you very much for your appreciation. What was the motivation to do that then? If you were familiar with either Carbon or multi-tty, I could understand that. Did you want to pretend as if multi-tty was ready to get merged to the trunk? YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp