From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: OS X: Change default key bindings of CMD and ALT Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:18:43 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <86r3i39gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <4EE5D522-7CDE-4430-AC67-133DD628F843@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451719146 13645 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2016 07:19:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 07:19:06 +0000 (UTC) To: Anders Lindgren , Random832 , emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 02 08:19:05 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFGSu-0000eJ-K6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 08:19:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37643 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFGSt-0003JW-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFGSh-0003JF-TP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:18:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFGSe-0003W7-Ns for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:18:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:63721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFGSe-0003W3-5Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:18:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fermat1.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (fermat [192.168.32.10]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D49C0566; Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:18:43 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 133.82.132.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197341 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:17:41 -0800, John Wiegley said: >> I've decided to let the question rest -- we clearly can't agree on >> a layout that suits everybody and we're not allowed to make the >> change for Emacs 25.1 anyway. I think it's unfortunate, since 1) >> the default configuration of Emacs is unusable in large parts of >> the world and 2) the "ns" and the "mac" implementation will now >> have different defaults. > Since the "mac" implementation is coming in new, it should have the > same default behavior as the "ns" port in the respect. It's easily > configured otherwise, and having them be different would be a > pointless disparity. It is the NS port that has changed the default behavior in Emacs 23 from the Carbon port in Emacs 22. The default behavior of the Mac port is the same as the Carbon port, except that the alt/option keys now mapped to Emacs ALT modifier for function keys such as arrow keys. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp