From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: fail on osx between 2/4/2009 and 2/5/2009 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:19:47 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <861vubqc79.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <10DD5733-4089-4A60-B090-4CB5E32A0E19@42tools.com> <49917BE9.6020903@gnu.org> <15A24001-137F-469F-8B05-DB31D4E8995D@gmail.com> <5BF9D3EF-54F8-4386-BAF5-B7BCB510E4C1@gmail.com> <9D52B261-F15A-499B-A36D-9E4E5F4F1E8B@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235092811 29801 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2009 01:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:20:11 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 20 02:21:26 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LaK50-0003pp-6z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:21:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33135 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LaK3f-00063I-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LaK3a-00063D-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LaK3W-000631-GC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:19:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47478 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LaK3W-00062y-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:19:54 -0500 Original-Received: from ntp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:60872 helo=mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LaK3V-0001bL-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:19:54 -0500 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FDF2C49 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:19:48 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <9D52B261-F15A-499B-A36D-9E4E5F4F1E8B@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109236 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:30:48 +0200, Adrian Robert said: >>> You have expressed reservations because you feel the port tries to >>> do things in a different way from the rest of emacs, but that is >>> not really accurate. It would be counterproductive. As I've said >>> before, the port aims for clean, clear code taking into account >>> both other ports' approaches and the fact that Cocoa is an OO API. >>> It's not always going to fit as well as Carbon or X, but it has >>> been improving. >> >> Could you give some concrete examples of the "improvement" by the >> use of OO in the Cocoa/GNUstep port? > The "improving" I meant was getting the NS port code more parallel > with code in other ports, compared to the state, say, a year ago. > Despite some tension arising from the fact that the other ports > interface with non-OO and lower-level APIs on the platform's side. I see. I misread it as "the code deviates from those in other ports, but that makes improvement with respect to OO". >> And if you read the code of my Carbon+AppKit port, you will notice >> the difference is not in OO vs. non-OO. > Is that code available to read somewhere? As I've mentioned here several times, ftp://ftp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp/emacs/emacs-22.3-appkit-1.2.tar.gz YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp