From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: NS: ns-expand-space / slider in Preferences dialog not functional Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:56 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <21F51971-5679-45BF-85A0-D982CA73E722@gmail.com> <5393D476-3312-4DF3-AF39-6D698B7FDA49@gmail.com> <06CD0A2A-6B89-4E1A-BBA6-E91F03A289DD@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1236656457 2921 80.91.229.12 (10 Mar 2009 03:40:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Reitter , Adrian Robert , Stefan Monnier , Emacs-Devel devel To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 10 04:42:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-forward2.uio.no ([129.240.10.71]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Lgsqa-0007Ac-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:41:40 +0100 Original-Received: from exim by mail-out2.uio.no with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgso7-0007UH-HB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:39:07 +0100 Original-Received: from mail-mx2.uio.no ([129.240.10.30]) by mail-out2.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgso7-0007U0-Fn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:39:07 +0100 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by mail-mx2.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgso6-0001PJ-JR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:39:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34179 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lgso5-0001Xc-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lgso2-0001XN-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lgso0-0001XB-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:39:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45613 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lgso0-0001X8-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ntp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:60922 helo=mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgsny-0002a6-4N; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96A2C48; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:56 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: F437A46879B630374D5ECE31E7072CC52070E5D6 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 199.232.76.165 spam_score: -39 maxlevel 200 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 7 total 93722 max/h 424 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109537 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:16:58 +0900, Miles Bader said: >> a. preferences panel >> b. alpha-component in color specification >> c. color image for stipple (cf. tiling patch by Miles Bader) > Wouldn't we want some of these for non-NS systems? > [Especially the alpha component] Yes. I'd encourage to make a uniform specification/interface toward Emacs 23.2 or later, in order to avoid compatibility problems in future. The current alpha-comonent spec in NS is incompatible with that of XRenderParseColor for example, and such things happen if platform-independence is not in mind from the beginning. Even with the uniform spec, there are some glitches in the NS implementation as reported to the Emacs.app devel list. So, it's a good chance to defer the bug fixes for the alpha-component support by dropping it so as to allocate more time for more important fixes at this timing. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp