From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:44:21 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <2282B3B4-D844-4E26-BB94-9F79EEA2E847@gmail.com> <4CE058E8.9010606@gmail.com> <87d3q6d305.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxp98ikq.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290001488 9910 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2010 13:44:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 17 14:44:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIiJY-0007kw-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:44:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PIiJY-00036d-1S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43794 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PIiJJ-00030V-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:44:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIiJH-0000zC-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:44:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:57642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIiJH-0000yB-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:44:27 -0500 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB99C0560; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:44:21 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87mxp98ikq.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132783 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:11:01 -0600, Ted Zlatanov said: YM> If you mean Emacs 23 Mac port, see the following message in YM> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-06/msg00148.html > So are you saying Carbon *is* a good long-term solution? > Or are you saying it's supported right now and that's good enough? I mean what's currently supported in 64-bit Carbon is expected to survive for a certain period of time, because Apple has already made drastic cut for Carbon on the 64-bit transition. Of course, I can't speak for Apple. > Carbon was not supposed to get a 64-bit upgrade when we first > discussed your Mac port IIRC; obviously it has one now. Typical misunderstanding about 64-bit Carbon. It was the GUI portion of HIToolbox that was not supposed to get a 64-bit upgrade from the beginning. Not the whole Carbon. That's why I ported only the GUI part from Carbon HIToolbox to Cocoa AppKit. By the way, which is in your mind when you speak "Carbon", C APIs in general or the Carbon framework (i.e., /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/)? The latter does not include Core Foundation, Core Graphics, Core Text, or Image I/O, all of which are C APIs supported and legitimate even in iOS. > I think the Emacs maintainers still prefer the NS port because of > the GNUStep support. As I'm saying in the beginning of README-mac file in the Mac port, if the NS port is good enough for you, then you don't need to try the Mac port. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp