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From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:45:54 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wlbojh7ndp.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fw8t7siv.fsf@gnu.org>

>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:54:48 +0800, Chong Yidong <cyd@gnu.org> said:

> Here's the historical context.  Way back during the Emacs 23
> development cycle, the Carbon port was completely broken; it could
> not even compile.  It remained so for a period of (IIRC) almost a
> year, because Yamamoto Mitsuharu was at the time unwilling to keep
> it up to date with the changes to the terminal and font systems, and
> apparently no one else could fix it.  Since the Cocoa port was in
> the process of being merged, it was then decided that rather than
> keep two Mac ports---one of them broken for the indefinite
> future---we'd just go with Cocoa and work on improving it.

I stopped supporting the Carbon port for Emacs 23 in the early stage
because Apple announced GUI via Carbon was not going to 64-bit.  I'm
confident that was the right decision, though there were some
complaints at that time.

> Since then, of course, Yamamoto Mitsuharu has been able to keep the
> Carbon port alive.

That sounds inaccurate.  I didn't keep the "Carbon port" alive.
Instead, I assigned my resource toward another port (the
"Carbon+AppKit" port, the direct predecessor of the Mac port) on Emacs
22, by replacing the GUI-specific part of the Carbon port so it uses
Cocoa Appkit rather than Carbon HIToolbox, reusing the remaining part
of the code.  I was sticking to Emacs 22 rather than 23 first, because
I wanted to concentrate on the switch of GUI implementation basis
only, without being bothered with the difference between versions.  Of
course, I wasn't sure if such an attempt would succeed when I started
it.  The very first internal version started to work in one or two
months, but it took another year to make it public, and yet another
year to stabilize it.

				     YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
				mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp



  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-15  2:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-12  4:06 Emacs on OS X development Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-12  7:23 ` Rasmus
2011-09-12  7:59   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 16:37 ` Adrian Robert
2011-09-13 17:51   ` John Wiegley
2011-09-13 18:27     ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 18:43       ` John Wiegley
2011-09-13 18:56         ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 19:19           ` David Reitter
2011-09-14  1:13         ` Leo
2011-09-14  1:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13  0:23             ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13  0:57               ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-13  1:18                 ` chad
2012-07-13  1:07               ` chad
2012-07-13  3:12                 ` John Wiegley
2012-07-20 13:51                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-21  9:40                   ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-21 14:02                     ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-24  6:39                       ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-25 13:11                         ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-21 16:53                     ` chad
2012-07-24 13:04                       ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-24 14:45                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-25  3:00                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-25 14:41                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-26 22:58                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-29 17:58                                 ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-29 22:31                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-30  0:04                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-30  3:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-30  4:48                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-30  5:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-30 22:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-30 23:01                                         ` Paul Eggert
2012-07-31  1:38                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-31 13:50                                         ` Nix
2012-07-31 15:58                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-08-02  5:16                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-08-03 21:15                                     ` Dave Abrahams
2012-07-31 18:31                               ` Adrian Robert
2012-08-03 20:08                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-08-03 20:28                                   ` Adrian Robert
2012-08-05 12:51                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-21 17:20                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-23 14:50                                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-24  0:23                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-12-24 10:22                                             ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-25  7:17                         ` chad
2012-07-27 12:17                           ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-22  9:31                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-22 22:16                       ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23  7:26                         ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-23  8:46                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-23 13:52                           ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23 19:45                       ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-23 23:12                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:20                         ` Paul Eggert
2012-07-23 23:13                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:46                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 21:17                           ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23 21:28                             ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 23:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-24  6:25                                 ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-24  8:36                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-25  7:27                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-25  8:15                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-24  9:01                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-25  7:38                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-24 16:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-25  7:43                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 23:15                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 23:40                             ` chad
2012-07-23 21:45                         ` chad
2012-07-23 23:00                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-24  1:13                           ` Leo
2012-07-23 18:57                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-13  3:28               ` Le Wang
2012-07-13 10:02               ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 10:45                 ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-14  8:39                   ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 12:09               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13 14:00                 ` René Kyllingstad
2012-07-13 17:48                   ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 18:16                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 19:07                       ` Glenn Morris
2012-07-13 19:54                       ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 20:12                         ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-13 20:32                           ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-13 21:04                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 21:44                             ` chad
2012-07-13 22:30                               ` John Wiegley
2012-07-14 10:35                               ` Sudish Joseph
2012-07-14  9:00                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-14 22:56                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-15  0:54                             ` Chong Yidong
2012-07-15  2:45                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu [this message]
2012-07-15  3:40                               ` John Wiegley
2012-07-15 13:12                                 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-15 17:50                                   ` chad
2012-07-15 21:20                                     ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-15 21:34                                     ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-15 22:11                                       ` chad
2012-07-15 22:22                                       ` David Reitter
2012-07-18  0:16                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-18  2:56                                         ` John Wiegley
2012-07-18  3:42                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-18  8:21                                             ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-18 20:43                                             ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-18 21:03                                               ` chad
2012-07-19  8:12                                               ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-18 17:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-19 13:31                                           ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-15 22:19                               ` David Reitter
2012-07-16  2:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-17 10:18                               ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-17 12:14                                 ` William Stevenson
2012-07-15 21:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13 17:48                 ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14  2:21           ` chad
2011-09-14  3:00             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-14 12:54           ` Jan D.
2011-09-13 19:51   ` Jan Djärv
2011-09-13 19:57     ` Adrian Robert
2011-09-13 20:33       ` Jan Djärv
2011-09-13 20:05   ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-13 21:47     ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14  1:59       ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14  2:09         ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14 14:10           ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14 14:30             ` Stephen Eilert
2011-09-14 18:06               ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-15  4:11               ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-13  1:14             ` Samuel Bronson

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