From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:28:00 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <4EEB48B2.9090602@swipnet.se> <83liqc1tac.fsf@gnu.org> <83fwgk1atk.fsf@gnu.org> <4EEBE0DC.1050803@cs.ucla.edu> <4EEF5DF5.3030506@swipnet.se> <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1324603699 18621 80.91.229.12 (23 Dec 2011 01:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Carsten Mattner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 23 02:28:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdtvg-00041h-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:28:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55709 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdtvf-00016S-EX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:28:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdtvc-00015r-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdtva-00075G-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:28:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:54205) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdtva-00074m-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEAFC055D; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:28:00 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-Received-From: 133.82.132.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:146931 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:28:31 +0100, Carsten Mattner said: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:42 AM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu > wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:24:07 +0900, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu >>>>>>> said: >> >>> Most of the uses of the Carbon framework in the Mac port are for >>> Apple Events and Carbon Events. >> >> The main purpose of the use of them is to avoid Lisp evaluation >> inside read_socket_hook. > No way to make that work similarly without Carbon? As far as I know. I actually tried that at the very early stage of the development of the predecessor of the Mac port. >> I think keeping such a fundamental design principle of Emacs is >> more important for avoiding unpredictable problems that cannot >> happen on other platforms, rather than superficially suppressing >> the use of 64-bit (non-GUI) Carbon, which is widely misunderstood >> as deprecated. > I don't follow you here. What's the issue with 64-bit and Carbon? > Terminal.app looks like it's 64-bit. No issue at least in a technical sense. The only issue would be those who are not familiar with Mac OS X development tend to rant "Carbon is deprecated!" without knowing the detail or its actual use in many applications. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp