From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: carbon build hangs on startup Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:59:36 +0900 Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University Message-ID: References: <200710062009.l96K9uNb021892@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <864ph32cds.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <86ir5i1fgu.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1191815993 19469 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2007 03:59:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 08 05:59:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IejmY-0004GW-N8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:59:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IejmT-0003yr-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:59:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IejmQ-0003ym-HR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IejmN-0003uL-7q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IejmN-0003uH-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IejmM-0006U0-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:59:38 -0400 Original-Received: from church.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (church [133.82.132.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FDE2C40; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:59:36 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <86ir5i1fgu.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/23.0.50 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Detected-Kernel: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80398 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:56:49 -0700, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) said: YAMAMOTO> Of course it's up to you whether to make such a plea. But YAMAMOTO> keep in mind that developers' time and effort for multi-tty YAMAMOTO> and Unicode support on the Carbon port might be wasted if YAMAMOTO> the Cocoa/GNUStep port becomes good enough for Emacs 23. I YAMAMOTO> don't think it's a good idea to invest them in catching up YAMAMOTO> with the trunk NOW. YAMAMOTO> The situation is different from that of pre-22: we have a YAMAMOTO> brand-new first stable release version running on the Mac YAMAMOTO> native window system and ordinary Mac users don't need to YAMAMOTO> use the CVS version, there's an alternative, and the next YAMAMOTO> major release does not happen too soon. > So, you're saying that there will be a non-X11 version of Emacs for > OSX in the works, even though it's not usable just yet? Do you have > an idea of when it might be usable? I'm not saying it is not "usable". You can try and see it yourself by downloading it from http://emacs-app.sourceforge.net/. I think it's too early to judge if it becomes good enough for Emacs 23. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituaharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp