From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andy Moreton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <8360p3i2gt.fsf@gnu.org> <86a8efqf9p.fsf@realize.ch> <8337k7hysd.fsf@gnu.org> <8660p3qd99.fsf@realize.ch> <831szrhwsr.fsf@gnu.org> <8760p12qzw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vax0en1u.fsf@gnu.org> <87pon5ek3q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87twcgttjf.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86a8e7symk.fsf@realize.ch> <8737jzl4u9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8337jz8dg8.fsf@gnu.org> <83insv3tnl.fsf@gnu.org> <83d1j33qgg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476802044 32234 195.159.176.226 (18 Oct 2016 14:47:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (windows-nt) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 18 16:47:21 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwVf7-0003QM-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:46:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42005 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwVf9-0005E5-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:46:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwV15-00033q-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:05:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwV10-0001e4-Mn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:05:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=41244 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwV10-0001dQ-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:05:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwV0S-0008J1-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:04:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:WATmdctnvrr1BOvjqgPe0PZAYvA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208422 Archived-At: On Mon 17 Oct 2016, John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>> "PL" == Phillip Lord writes: > > PL> I think it's decision time. I am happy to carry on a little further with > PL> the package.el based approach that I have outlined, fixing the one > PL> significant issue with it and then I will stop. If you don't want to go > PL> this way, that's fine. > > At this time, I don't want to go "full package.el". However, I'd like to > include it, since it's key to how users interact with ELPA-based packages. I > think Eli said it best: > > EZ> We need to adapt package.el to the new needs. It was not written with > EZ> these goals in mind, so it needs to learn new tricks. Throwing it away is > EZ> not acceptable, but neither is blindly accepting its current assumptions, > EZ> which were not designed for the use case we are discussing. > > So let's not move to "directory per package", but let's do support "properly > upgrading a package that came with the distribution". That goal seems much easier to achive if each ELPA-based package is isolated in its own directory, and all dependencies from core-emacs to such packages are removed (including autoloads). AndyM