From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Moreton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:21:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <3be41f0b-452f-78b2-4eea-49f207e060a0@yandex.ru> <87lh5u9d6m.fsf@red-bean.com> <87a8ma9b9u.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457450529 11107 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2016 15:22:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:22:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 08 16:22:03 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adJSN-0005xb-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:21:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJSL-0004I5-FJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:21:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52566) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJRu-0004BM-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:21:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJRr-0004sl-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:21:26 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJRr-0004sF-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:21:23 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adJRp-0005b0-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:21:21 +0100 Original-Received: from uk.solarflare.com ([193.34.186.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:21:21 +0100 Original-Received: from andrewjmoreton by uk.solarflare.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:21:21 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: uk.solarflare.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:htWFcb5wRzrF1gsrmwyadRggM4w= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201149 Archived-At: On Mon 07 Mar 2016, Karl Fogel wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: >>On 03/07/2016 11:43 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: >>> Let's please take it for granted that everyone who's suggesting to >>> get rid of ChangeLog files is also assuming that we would, of >>> course, use the same conventions for writing git commit messages >>> that we would use for writing ChangeLog entries. (As far as I can >>> tell, everyone who wants to get rid of ChangeLog files has either >>> expressed that assumption explicitly or implied it pretty clearly. >>> ) >> >>Not so. Many messages in this thread are saying different. > > I looked again -- who are these "many"? I don't see any messages from someone > who both advocates that we get rid of ChangeLogs *and* suggests that we should > not use the same format for commit messages as we currently do for ChangeLogs. > (Andy Moreton suggested something about how we could have improved standards > about what we put in a change description in general, but that's different and > orthogonal to this discussion.) > > Please let me know if I missed a post, though. For the avoidance of doubt, I think that the changelog format describing the contents of the diff should not be included in the git commit message, as it is a pointless duplication of information that the diff already provides. Let the version control system handle what changed, and put much more emphasis on describing why the patch exists. AndyM