From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: 10 Dec 2002 17:48:57 +0000 Organization: BIOSCI/MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <061220021433180478%ajanta@no.spam> <5l3cpalpa1.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <84bs3xsyi8.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <5l1y4qj8mc.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039542966 32569 80.91.224.249 (10 Dec 2002 17:56:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Lobv-0008Rt-00 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18LoWg-00047k-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:50:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news2.euro.net!195.129.110.4.MISMATCH!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: bromine.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Original-X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 1039542542 1801 193.62.192.35 (10 Dec 2002 17:49:02 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@net.bio.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:49:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.93 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348504 gnu.emacs.help:107958 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4496 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4496 >>>>> "Galen" == Galen Boyer writes: Galen> On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, ajanta@no.spam wrote: >> First of all, thank you for all the help. Secondly, I do have a >> slightly different philosophical perspective on unneeded disk >> clutter, perhaps rooted in my familarity with the third world. Galen> Can you send an encrypted phone number to your dealer? My Galen> stash of really awesome POT is getting low. Actually, it's not so daft as you might think. I went to a conference a while back, where someone was talking about the problems of computing in the third world. For instance, they talked about having internet access via satellite. This sounds great, till you realise that this means you get half an hours access a day, when the satellite happens to be over head. Okay, I hear you cry, why not just use copper wires? Probably cheaper than satellite access. Well, the problem was that every time they put up copper wires, someone with a big pair of croppers came along and took the wire away. Copper is expensive after all. I thought I had some ideas of the problems the third world might have, but it turns out that most of my ideas were wrong. At the end of the day, Stefan's point, that hard drive space is not worth the effort saving it would entail, is true. Hard drive space is cheap, while people are expensive. But, of course, this is only true in some parts of the world. In many parts of the third world, its the other way around. Of course, emacs is not a large offender in this day and age, and there are many worse. I current have six versions of emacs on my hard drive, because I've not got around to deleting pretest versions. The solution here, though, is the "scratching an itch" one. I can understand why the emacs maintainers don't want to spend time on it. Other might though, and they should probably be the ones to submit patches! Incidentally, on the pot front, you did know about M-x dealer I presume? Phil