From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sven Utcke Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: 25 Mar 2003 16:48:10 +0100 Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87vfyai2ur.fsf@wassern.consult-meyers.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048607584 8257 80.91.224.249 (25 Mar 2003 15:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 16:53:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xqj0-00025t-00 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:52:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18xqh8-0001ip-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news.uni-hamburg.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: kogs31.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Original-X-Trace: rzsun03.rrz.uni-hamburg.de 1048607291 5958 134.100.12.153 (25 Mar 2003 15:48:11 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-hamburg.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2003 15:48:11 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111383 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7884 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7884 Niels Freimann writes: > Nevertheless if you and others persist on an ncurses emacs then why > not splitting emacs into gtk and ncurses applications, Sounds good. Maybe call the ncurses one Emacs, and the gtk one XEmacs? Ups, no, we already did that split in the early 90s... > However one thing must be clear: Any future development > must place gtk into the very center. It _must_ do so? As in, if it doesn't, the world will end, the universe collapse, and you might switch back to Windows? > emacs must become fully compatible with modern desktop > environments. It must provide all the dialogs known to the people by > other GUI programs, and any relicts of the text mode past must > disappear. Emacs must look and feel like any other gnome, kde, or > window, application. Right. Just what I waited for, Emacs feeling like any other Windows application. Does this include the paperclip and insiting on capitalizing some words, like it or not? Believe it or not, I did _not_ switch to Unix so as to avoid paying for software; I switched to Unix because I liked the Unix-Way better than the MS-Way. I see no need for my applications to look like Windows to make me feel at home, just the opposite in fact. > Richard written it with the future in his mind when others, > mesmerized by past resource limitations, written text editors for > terminals connected by very slow modems. Well, Emacs was actually quite useable for this until 21.x, and given that until very recently a slow modem was all which connected me with the outside world, I was grateful for that. > To be polemical: our competition isn't vms or something, but M$ > windows. Is it? I know that I wont use Windows until forced to do so by my employer, but I might change over go gvim or somesuch if Emacs became to much of a Windows-lookalike (I'll probably simply stay with an older Emacs version though). On the other hand, even _if_ Windows would be the competition: if emulating the competition a very forward-looking business-model? Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | '