From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Max Nikulin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:53:33 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87frpvk8l9.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87zfo1khkd.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87msjyfoyi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7439"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 13:09:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1st3Qc-0001q9-TC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 13:09:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1st3Pz-00034T-RM; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 07:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sswcU-0003to-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2024 23:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sswcS-0008Pa-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2024 23:53:45 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sswcO-00053a-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2024 05:53:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU In-Reply-To: <87msjyfoyi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 26 X-Spam_score: 2.6 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.237, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 07:09:18 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324013 Archived-At: On 23/09/2024 21:02, Thanos Apollo wrote: > Max Nikulin writes: >> I am looking >> into /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/gr polytonic symbols. AltGr+s in Greek >> layout ( levels 3 and 4) are used to type "Ϛ ϛ STIGMATA". On the >> other hand the "us" layout does not have level 3 and 4 symbols for >> "s" qwerty key. [...] > but was used _only_ in minuscule manuscripts to save space by combining > sigma (σ) + tau (τ). Stigma is not part of the Greek alphabet. Thanks for explanation. I just had impression that you are going to achieve typing experience as close to other applications as possible. Perhaps there is really no point in support of some symbols. >> [AltGr+"{"] and [AltGr+"}"] are defined as dead keys for accents, so >> it may cause similar issues. > > Thanks to quail there is no need for dead keys or using Meta/Control > key. My primary point was not dead keys, but several keys having level3 and level4 symbols. Just shift allows to have 2 symbols per key. Another modifier is required to get more. However M-{ and M-} are not best examples, and have no 4th level, just 3rd one. An example for all 4 levels: key { type[Group1]="FOUR_LEVEL", [ dead_grave, dead_dasia, apostrophe, quotedbl ] }; On 21/09/2024 05:00, Thanos Apollo wrote: > "Σ" is the capital version of sigma ("σ") while "ς" is used at the end of > a word. In iOS, this is done automatically with one key. I am curious if this specific feature is provided by input method or by the "autoreplace" feature of some applications (similar to "--" → "—")