From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gernot Hassenpflug Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: LaTeX-Fill-Paragraph and inline images Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:15:24 +0900 Organization: RASC Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <843cmxjvr7.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <5lfzqhqjkt.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <5l8yw8qbpi.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1046337756 4559 80.91.224.249 (27 Feb 2003 09:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18oKFO-0001BN-00 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:22:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18oKDq-0003BV-04 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:20:58 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 70 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: h7.110.244.10.31184.vlan.kuins.net Original-X-Trace: caraway.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp 1046337325 15439 10.244.110.7 (27 Feb 2003 09:15:25 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@news.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Attribution: Gernot Hassenpflug X-Jost-Rating: Gernot X-URL: http://www.kurasc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/radar-group/members/~gernot User-Agent: T-gnus/6.15.13 (based on Oort Gnus v0.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2ZlahvtL0KC2ks9o1oeeGzTndZ4= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:110676 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7177 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7177 Hello Felix, I'm late on reading the group - and I hope this information is not totally superfluous by now! Reading through the RefTeX pages on sourceforge, the following link from the main page (http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net/) might be useful to you and the respondents in the discussion. In particular, what is wrong with having say WhizzyTeX open a separate window and therefore offers more clarity, while at the same time editing the offending text segments with preview-LaTeX quick and dirty. A binding of the LaTeX compilation could be done to run both p-L and w-T so that updating is synchronized? http://preview-latex.sourceforge.net/others.html Programs & Packages Related to preview-latex preview-latex is explicitly focused on placing identifiable previewed scraps of TeX, compositions, right in your source buffer in the way most convenient for editing. It does not cater for any other WYSIWYG concepts. In particular, it does not change the manner in which you have to enter your input: you still need to know what and how to type. If you have had no previous exposure to LaTeX, are accustomed to usual text processors, and do not need to work on LaTeX documents together with other authors, then there may be more convenient ways for you to harness the typesetting quality of LaTeX. Two TeX-related word processors with a more `customary' user and input interface are: * GNU TeXmacs is a true WYSIWYG system /snip/ * LyX is quite closer coupled to LaTeX /snip/ While both of these systems have ways of entering LaTeX code that the processor itself does not understand, creating documents making extensive use of this feature would be defeating their point. Because of this and because they save their texts in their own formats, those systems are not quite frontends to LaTeX, but rather employ LaTeX as a backend. They provide you with convenient access to LaTeX's quality, but not to its native flexibility, power, and interchangeability. So there may be good reason to bite the bullet, and use a real editor intended for editing basically plain text, and Emacs is an excellent contender. If you go for Emacs, here are additional packages worth looking at: * X-Symbol is a powerful input and display system for the vast variety of math characters and accented character constructs that LaTeX provides. It will replace those control sequences with more readable characters, and it will offer both new and experienced users a number of convenient and fast methods to enter them. While preview-latex focuses on providing convenience for LaTeX's output, X-Symbol tries this for the input. * WhizzyTeX also plays in the previewing ballpark, but not in the source buffer of Emacs. It updates a preview window interactively while you are working on the source. Its preview is page-oriented in a separate window. * AUC TeX, is the LaTeX major-mode. preview-latex will currently not work without it. * RefTeX provides support for doing labels, references and citations in LaTeX. It is already installed in Emacs and just needs to be activated. See the info page. -- G Hassenpflug RASC, Kyoto University